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Subject: RE: [humanmarkup-comment] Base Schema - thought
- From: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
- To: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@ingr.com>,'Rex Brooks' <rexb@starbourne.com>
- Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 07:16:09 -0700
Title: RE: [humanmarkup-comment] Base Schema -
thought
Having read Len's reference, and
considering the number and kinds of fallacious thought processes it
describes, I am loathe to do much in this context.
The way we define a concept or element can, but not always does,
restrict or enable the way it can be used. We could accidentally
enable the very kinds problems associated with various fallacies of
logical investigation or biased scientific methodologies by setting
our own a priori definition of something as fundamental but ineffable
as 'thought,' let alone thought-types, even though we live in a poorly
defined soup of such mental/cultural constructs. Worse, we open
ourselves up to criticisms that could invalidate our entire effort,
and we face that regardless. It is more a question of whether we
invite such criticism or make such criticism easy
So, to defer or not to defer?
I am proposing that if we include thought at all, and we need to vote
on this, that we clearly define it as 'a human mental process' or 'the
mental process of human consciousness' so that it is defined only as a
neurological phenomenon that occurs in biological humans. Our scope is
human communication, after all, so this is a fairly handy way to
include it without setting ourselves up for a fall.
This side steps the issue of types
altogether, but would, and this is a seriously liability as well,
then require some compound term built with thought in this definition
to refer to any specific verbal or non-verbal structured mental
activity. We tend to think of thought as occuring verbally and then
the question of mathematics as language arises, but it (thought) is
quite easily engaged in without recourse to either words or numbers or
mathematical concepts, so I don't think we can limit it that
way.
I still prefer to simply set it aside for now and let it be brought up
by those who have a specific application-area use for it, such as in
modeling or typing personalities or organizing models or hierarchies
of 'schools' of 'thought' or logic, or science, or mathematics, or
history, or education, or cultural descriptions, etc. Also there is no
way that I know of to create 'placeholder' elements in XML without a
specific definiton, saying in essence, "This thing exists but we
can't define it. or we can't define it now."
That's as far as I have gotten with it. I would dearly love to have
some help or at least some opinions to consider on this.
At 12:41 PM -0500 10/11/02, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
Let's step back and investigate the
notion
of *thought process*. This may have some merit,
but it means (at least to me), that this may
not belong in the primary. Note the following
article and the emphasis on types of thought
processes:
http://www.investigativepsych.com/explained.htm
We have briefly discussed the need for an adjunct
to model processes that can use our categorical
types as inputs and outputs. We've not been
able to tackle it yet.
len
Ciao,
Rex
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Rex Brooks
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http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
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