[humanmarkup-comment] Re: Signs, Referents and Semiote

[Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>]

Title: Re: Signs, Referents and Semiote

Referrant/Referent (spelling?)  came up in the September telecon and we added it to list of new elements.

If we think it is best to use it as an enumeration, derivation, extension or refinement of sign, along with signifier and signified, then it should be in the Secondary Base Schema, and I leave it to the list to inform me of how that should be handled. If these need to be treated similarly to or differently than each other, I am equally sanguine with it.

How's that for punting?

Ciao,

Rex

At 3:31 PM -0500 10/17/02, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:

> Is referent in the primary schema?  I remember it
> being part of the sign experiment,
> thus, not something that has to be defined for the
> PSB.  Am I wrong?
>  
> A referent in the sign experiment DTD element type I
> posted is a real world
> instance of the thing signified.   If the
> sign signifies a curve in a road, a
> real curve on a real road can be a
> referent.
>  
> Sign - mostly just a wrapper element for descriptive
> purposes in the
> DTD, an abstraction otherwise or the container.  
> A sign may be
> symbolic, iconic or indexical, sometimes combinations
> of these.
>  
> Signifier - the sign, perhaps a glyph for example, the
> wavy glyph on the road sign for Curves Ahead
> Signified - the concept of the sign, eg,
> curveness
> Referent - a real instance of a sign, eg, a curve on a
> real road.
>  
> Semiote:  a processor capable of emitting and/or
> producing signs.   It may be
> living or artificial for purposes of this
> specification.  
>  
> len

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