Re: [huml-comment] LMNL toolkit for HumanML

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On Saturday 15 February 2003 12:27 am, Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga wrote:
> Hi Len, Gavin and HumanMarkup group:
>
> I attended my first XML-SIG/NY chapter meeting earlier this week.  Gavin
> Nicol was a speaker, and introduced LMNL (re: http://www.lmnl.org).  Of
> course, Gavin told me that he and you Len go way back, and I remember Len
> at one time you spoke highly of him in relation to your previous
> collaborations.
>
> Gavin introduced to us an alternate markup language specification called
> LMNL (lmnl.org).  I found that it was that it was different from XML in
> that it allowed flexibility in marking up text without trying to force a
> 'tree-hierarchy' structure.  This was done by allowing overlapping ranges,
> and multiple layers, of markup (vs. the top-down, nested parent-child XML
> syntax).

I'm very glad to know about this area, Ranjeeth:  Having observed that in 
practice you can overlap some things in HTML*, which is as you point out
a natural occurrence in normal language use, I had perhaps naively thought 
that would not be a problem with XML.  (*e.g.,  in font overlaps, changes 
within HREFs)

The web page has content of interest to me, too.

>
> I don't know who of any of you remember the initial examples I had posted
> on HumanML based on spaghetti XML hacks when I first announced the
> effort--they are currently offline, but I'll get them back up as soon.
>
> To recap, I attempted to tease apart different human information (what were
> promises, threats, goals, emotionally laden words, etc) from a series of
> communiques of US politicians.  I had of course envisioned using XML (i.e.
> HumanML) to be able to tease apart these different layers implicit within
> communication.  After hearing Gavin's presentation, however, I realized
> that the difficulty I was having in getting myself to develop solid working
> examples came from the limitations of XML being so hierarchical.
>
> I really think that by allowing for multiple overlapping layers and ranges,
> we can seemlessly account for multiple interpretations and perspectives,
> embedded within the document.  Gavin mentioned that he would be interested
> in perhaps helping develop an LMNL toolkit for HumanML, and he could
> present it to us in some form (Gavin:  I'll let you take it from here ;))

It seems our subject matter will characteristically have this multiplicity.
RDF's triples seem very limiting but what they seem to do is expand again and 
again, in effect producing layering -- Is that right[, Manos]?

If you can express your examples in this form more easily, then you'll have 
something concrete.  With that in hand, maybe the result can be transmuted 
into a hierarchical form.  If it can't that's also significant.  You might 
want to try it, especially since someone who really understands it can work 
with you.  Could you let me know how it goes?

>
> I will have my use-case description and slides ready later today for the
> CIDOC conference--trying to get these ready as quickly as I can (FYI:
> Sylvia and James), which will describe more precisely how this could work. 
> Please stay tuned.

Sure will!
Thanks, Ranjeeth.
SC
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