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Subject: RE: [legalcitem-technical] Question about identifiers and multiple documents
Hi Fabio, That approach makes sense to me. Many thanks, Catherine Catherine Tabone Data Manager Legislation Services The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU +44 (0)20 8392 5330 ext. 2233 catherine.tabone@nationalarchives.gsi.gov.uk www.legislation.gov.uk | www.nationalarchives.gov.uk -----Original Message----- From: Fabio Vitali [mailto:fabio@cs.unibo.it] Sent: 23 May 2014 23:04 To: Tabone, Catherine Cc: Chet Ensign; legalcitem-technical@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [legalcitem-technical] Question about identifiers and multiple documents Dear all, a few thoughts on this: Every resource that has its own identity and a name is a Work. Every resource that is a Work and has a name deserves an identifier, even if it is an aggregation of other resources. In fact, FRBR-oo has a specific subclass of Work called "Aggregation Work", which is a "work whose essence is the selection and/or arrangement of expressions of one or more other works. " (http://www.cidoc-crm.org/docs/frbr_oo/frbr_docs/FRBRoo_V1.0_2009_june_.pdf , page 45). Thus yes, of course we shall need to create identifiers for aggregate works, too, and their identifier shall need to be distinguished and independent of the identifiers of the individual works it is composed of. For instance, in the Akoma Ntoso Naming convention, this could be conceived as an aggregate work whose URI lists the fact that we know about the aggregation, namely the country (UK), the type (it is a collection), the creation date (which corresponds to the date of the event/document/source that declares this collection to exist and to be composed of such and such components: in the case you cite, we actually have a whole document that declares the existence of the document, which is dated), and a number or title to distinguish it from other documents. Thus in Akoma Ntoso I would create an URI as follows: /uk/collection/1996/EducationActs and I would content with this. Ciao Fabio -- Il giorno 23/mag/2014, alle ore 14:12, "Tabone, Catherine" <Catherine.Tabone@nationalarchives.gsi.gov.uk> ha scritto: > Hi Chet, > > Unfortunately legislation does cite the acts as a group without specifying a particular one. Although this citation style isn't too widely used, the usual purpose is where there are some legal functions with a certain property that occur in more than one Act that the drafter wants to refer to. Instead of trying to list all the different documents each time they list them once and reuse the definition. Some examples of text referring to "the Education Acts" below: > > http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/56/section/3 : > The definition of "pupil" in Subsections (1) and (1A) also apply (unless the context otherwise requires) for the purposes of any instrument made or having effect as if made under the Education Acts. > > http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/56/schedule/1/paragraph/4 : > A person who is registered as a pupil at a school other than a pupil referral unit shall not, by reason only of being registered also as a pupil at such a unit, cease for the purposes of the Education Acts to be treated as a registered pupil at that school. > > http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/74/section/18A : > It is unlawful for the Learning and Skills Council for England, the Higher Education Funding Council for England or the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales in carrying out their functions under the Education Acts and the Learning and Skills Act 2000, to do any act which constitutes racial discrimination or harassment. > > I'd be really interested to know if this is a feature that is unique to UK legislation or if anyone knows of something similar being used in other types of document. I'm guessing that the amount of effort it's worth making to accommodate this kind of citation might depend on how widely used it is? > > Catherine > > > From: legalcitem-technical@lists.oasis-open.org > [mailto:legalcitem-technical@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Chet > Ensign > Sent: 22 May 2014 20:00 > To: legalcitem-technical@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [legalcitem-technical] Question about identifiers and > multiple documents > > Catherine, wow. That is an interesting example. I don't know that I ever saw that in U.S. legislation but there are others here who will know far better than I. > > Looking at your example, it looks like "The Education Acts" is intended to be addressed as a unit. However, would anyone ever cite to The Education Acts or would they be more likely to cite to something like a section of Education (Fees and Awards) Act 1983 in The Education Acts. I think that is the key question. > > /chet > > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Tabone, Catherine <Catherine.Tabone@nationalarchives.gsi.gov.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > Following our discussions about the Fundamental Requirements document I remembered a citation format from UK legislation that might cause some problems. At the moment the definitions assume that a citation is a reference to a single document or a fragment thereof. However, there are situations where citations can be to groups of documents, something along the lines of Acts x, y and z shall be referred to (in this document or in others) as the "Alphabet acts", See http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/56/section/578 for a real example (also note that the definition gets amended just to be more confusing!) I'm guessing that this is something that happens for other legal documents too? Are these types of citations outside the scope of these requirements or do we need to find a way to include them? > > Kind regards, > > Catherine > > > Catherine Tabone > > Data Manager > Legislation Services > The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU > > +44 (0)20 8392 5330 ext. 2233 > catherine.tabone@nationalarchives.gsi.gov.uk > www.legislation.gov.uk | www.nationalarchives.gov.uk > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > From: legalcitem-technical@lists.oasis-open.org > [mailto:legalcitem-technical@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Chet > Ensign > Sent: 30 April 2014 17:10 > To: legalcitem-technical@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: [legalcitem-technical] Question about citations / references > / identifiers > > All - > > Like Grant, I am now confused about identifiers and where they fit. > > In our definitions of the terms we're using, does a 'reference' contain an 'identifier'? 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