RE: [legalxml-courtfiling] Proposed "person" object

[jkeane <jik@jkeane.com>]

Title: RE: [legalxml-courtfiling] Proposed "person" object

Thanks for the clarification Rolly. Let me remind folks of a cross-posting (that crossed in the mail) to the public list about the OdrXML data model using a "Persona."  Shouldn't this very interesting thread go beyond CourtFiling? 

 

It's not clear to me if some of the strong advocates, experts and apparent aficionados of data modeling are on CF list, but they sure speak out a Integrated Justice meetings. I'm not sure I understand enough about the sub-class concept to make an informed judgment. We could use their help.

 

In addition, as my note suggested, don't we need a pretty high level model that accommodates the life cycle from transactions to civil disputes as well as criminal activity? Perhaps we could model Enron in XML?  

 

And are other XML groups beyond the law wrestling with any comparable situation? Are there any well known solutions from other systems to the semantic problems we are encountering here?

 

Jim 

 

James I. Keane

JKeane.Law.Pro

North Potomac MD 20878

-----Original Message-----
From: Rolly Chambers [mailto:rlchambers@smithcurrie.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:48 PM
To: legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] Proposed "person" object

Just to eliminate any confusion, I wrote that the Justice and Public Safety XML Data Element Definitions Draft 0.1.0 (April 26, 2002) (the "Justice Data Dictionary" -- not the Court Filing 1.1 DTD) includes a "person" element, but does not include either an "actor" or a "role" element.

 

The Court Filing 1.1 DTD does include an "actor" and a "role" element, but not a "person" element.

 

Rolly Chambers 

----- Original Message -----

From: Krause, Catherine

To: (legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org)

Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:43 PM

Subject: RE: [legalxml-courtfiling] Proposed "person" object

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- Someone said that "actor" is not used in Court Filing 1.1.  It is used in Court Filing 1.1, although if you do a "search" for it in the PDF document, you don't find it (not sure why that is).  We are using "actor" in our implementation for the filer.  We are not doing case initiation in this phase, but in the future I anticipate that we may sometimes use actor for different purposes such as parties to a case, which is not always a person, as has been pointed out by at least one of the people in this e-mail exchange. 

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