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Please let the secretary know (Pager 309 367 0787) that you are attending.
Also, we need to know if you anticipate coming to one of the two
subcommittee meetings before the regular session. This will enable the
conference hosts to order the correct amount of refreshments. More importantly,
it will help the subcommittee and committee chairpersons prepare for the
meeting.
(You may receive an additional copy of this information when the KAVI
database is updated.)
Dr. Laurence Leff Western Illinois University, Macomb IL 61455 ||(309) 298-1315
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E-Filing Process Models Subcommittee Face-to-Face Meeting has been added by robin gibson (robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us).
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From: robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us
E-Filing Process Models Subcommittee Face-to-Face Meeting has been added by robin gibson (robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us).
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From: robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us
Electronic Court Filing TC Face-to-Face Meeting has been added by robin gibson (robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us).
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Agenda:
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From: robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us
Electronic Court Filing TC Face-to-Face Meeting has been modified by robin gibson (robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us).
Event description:
Location: Conference Center at 244 Washington SW, Atlanta, GA
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A Conference Call will be scheduled during the day, details to be provided later.
Agenda:
Date: Thursday, 17 April 2003
Time: 09:00am - 05:00pm Eastern Time
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From: robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us
Electronic Court Filing TC Face-to-Face Meeting has been added by robin gibson (robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us).
Event description:
Location: Conference Center at 244 Washington SW, Atlanta, GA
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Agenda:
Date: Thursday, 17 April 2003
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Electronic Court Filing TC Face-to-Face Meeting (day 2) has been added by robin gibson (robin_gibson@osca.state.mo.us).
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From: "Dallas Powell" <dpowell@tybera.com>
To: <jmessing@law-on-line.com>,
<legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org>
References: <200303191834.AA644743818@law-on-line.com>
Subject: Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] Interoperability SOW
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:58:17 -0700
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I am sure there are limits on what information can be distributed when
difficult situations exist and we need to be careful to not put a court in
an uncomfortable position. What may be of value to our community is to ask
if the courts are willing to give copies of old and new RFPs to the TC.
This would allow the process modeling and interoperability committees to
understand what the courts are asking for. Responses can frequently propose
alternatives to an RFP but understanding requirements is valuable.
Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: "jmessing" <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
To: <legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: [legalxml-courtfiling] Interoperability SOW
> I agree that there is no need for formal minor changes to the SOW to stand
in the way of beginning work.
>
> With regard to the King County project that was apparently not
successfully implemented, is it possible for the reasons for that
happenstance to be provided to this subcommittee as part of the information
that is to be considered by it?
>
> It seems that "operability" as a first instance is highly relevant to
"interoperability" issues. If we can learn what went wrong with this
project, perhaps it will provide useful lessons about what to do in the
future that will likely work for everyone.
>
>
> I think some changes to the wording of the SOW might be appropriate if it
is possible to get these materials, but again, I don't think that should be
a cause for delay.
>
> ===================================================================
> A few minor corrections are needed in the document:
>
> - Under "proposed author(s) of the work, Roger Winters and I are listed as
having experience implementing Electronic Court Filing 1.0. The attempted
implementation we were involved in was for Court Filing 1.1.
>
> - It might be misleading to state we are "experienced in implementing" --
perhaps it would be better to state that we "participated in an attempt to
implement" or something like that. The ECF 1.1-based system delivered to us
by a vendor was not accepte
> d by us, so it was never implemented into a production environment. We
own the Requirements and Design documents on which that system was based,
but we do not own or have access to the code, since we didn't accept the
system.
>
>
> Otherwise, the SOW looks great. I do not feel these minor edits should
hold up approval of the SOW by the TC.
>
>
> Catherine Krause
> E-Filing Project Manager
> King County Department of Judicial Administration
> (206)296-7860
> catherine.krause@metrokc.gov <mailto:catherine.krause@metrokc.gov>
>
>
>
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I agree that requirements of an RFP can be very useful. On the other hand, knowing what worked as opposed to what did not work, and why, could be invaluable to vendors and courts alike, if the lessons can be generalized.
I wonder if the King County participants have a problem with sharing the information.
On a different point, I understood from the call we had that you have already received information from BearingPoint. Can you share it?
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Dallas Powell" <dpowell@tybera.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:58:17 -0700
>I am sure there are limits on what information can be distributed when
>difficult situations exist and we need to be careful to not put a court in
>an uncomfortable position. What may be of value to our community is to ask
>if the courts are willing to give copies of old and new RFPs to the TC.
>This would allow the process modeling and interoperability committees to
>understand what the courts are asking for. Responses can frequently propose
>alternatives to an RFP but understanding requirements is valuable.
>
>Dallas
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jmessing" <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
>To: <legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:34 PM
>Subject: [legalxml-courtfiling] Interoperability SOW
>
>
>> I agree that there is no need for formal minor changes to the SOW to stand
>in the way of beginning work.
>>
>> With regard to the King County project that was apparently not
>successfully implemented, is it possible for the reasons for that
>happenstance to be provided to this subcommittee as part of the information
>that is to be considered by it?
>>
>> It seems that "operability" as a first instance is highly relevant to
>"interoperability" issues. If we can learn what went wrong with this
>project, perhaps it will provide useful lessons about what to do in the
>future that will likely work for everyone.
>>
>>
>> I think some changes to the wording of the SOW might be appropriate if it
>is possible to get these materials, but again, I don't think that should be
>a cause for delay.
>>
>> ===================================================================
>> A few minor corrections are needed in the document:
>>
>> - Under "proposed author(s) of the work, Roger Winters and I are listed as
>having experience implementing Electronic Court Filing 1.0. The attempted
>implementation we were involved in was for Court Filing 1.1.
>>
>> - It might be misleading to state we are "experienced in implementing" --
>perhaps it would be better to state that we "participated in an attempt to
>implement" or something like that. The ECF 1.1-based system delivered to us
>by a vendor was not accepte
>> d by us, so it was never implemented into a production environment. We
>own the Requirements and Design documents on which that system was based,
>but we do not own or have access to the code, since we didn't accept the
>system.
>>
>>
>> Otherwise, the SOW looks great. I do not feel these minor edits should
>hold up approval of the SOW by the TC.
>>
>>
>> Catherine Krause
>> E-Filing Project Manager
>> King County Department of Judicial Administration
>> (206)296-7860
>> catherine.krause@metrokc.gov <mailto:catherine.krause@metrokc.gov>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: "Dallas Powell" <dpowell@tybera.com>
To: <jmessing@law-on-line.com>,
<legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org>
References: <200303201328.AA983538@law-on-line.com>
Subject: Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] Interoperability SOW
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Although the information that I currently have was received outside an NDA,
I would not share it without their permission. I have not yet asked, but
Dwight, can you tell us the position of BearingPoint on sharing this
information?
Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: "jmessing" <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
To: <jmessing@law-on-line.com>; <legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org>;
"Dallas Powell" <dpowell@tybera.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] Interoperability SOW
> I agree that requirements of an RFP can be very useful. On the other hand,
knowing what worked as opposed to what did not work, and why, could be
invaluable to vendors and courts alike, if the lessons can be generalized.
>
> I wonder if the King County participants have a problem with sharing the
information.
>
> On a different point, I understood from the call we had that you have
already received information from BearingPoint. Can you share it?
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Dallas Powell" <dpowell@tybera.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:58:17 -0700
>
> >I am sure there are limits on what information can be distributed when
> >difficult situations exist and we need to be careful to not put a court
in
> >an uncomfortable position. What may be of value to our community is to
ask
> >if the courts are willing to give copies of old and new RFPs to the TC.
> >This would allow the process modeling and interoperability committees to
> >understand what the courts are asking for. Responses can frequently
propose
> >alternatives to an RFP but understanding requirements is valuable.
> >
> >Dallas
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jmessing" <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
> >To: <legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:34 PM
> >Subject: [legalxml-courtfiling] Interoperability SOW
> >
> >
> >> I agree that there is no need for formal minor changes to the SOW to
stand
> >in the way of beginning work.
> >>
> >> With regard to the King County project that was apparently not
> >successfully implemented, is it possible for the reasons for that
> >happenstance to be provided to this subcommittee as part of the
information
> >that is to be considered by it?
> >>
> >> It seems that "operability" as a first instance is highly relevant to
> >"interoperability" issues. If we can learn what went wrong with this
> >project, perhaps it will provide useful lessons about what to do in the
> >future that will likely work for everyone.
> >>
> >>
> >> I think some changes to the wording of the SOW might be appropriate if
it
> >is possible to get these materials, but again, I don't think that should
be
> >a cause for delay.
> >>
> >> ===================================================================
> >> A few minor corrections are needed in the document:
> >>
> >> - Under "proposed author(s) of the work, Roger Winters and I are listed
as
> >having experience implementing Electronic Court Filing 1.0. The
attempted
> >implementation we were involved in was for Court Filing 1.1.
> >>
> >> - It might be misleading to state we are "experienced in
implementing" --
> >perhaps it would be better to state that we "participated in an attempt
to
> >implement" or something like that. The ECF 1.1-based system delivered to
us
> >by a vendor was not accepte
> >> d by us, so it was never implemented into a production environment. We
> >own the Requirements and Design documents on which that system was based,
> >but we do not own or have access to the code, since we didn't accept the
> >system.
> >>
> >>
> >> Otherwise, the SOW looks great. I do not feel these minor edits should
> >hold up approval of the SOW by the TC.
> >>
> >>
> >> Catherine Krause
> >> E-Filing Project Manager
> >> King County Department of Judicial Administration
> >> (206)296-7860
> >> catherine.krause@metrokc.gov <mailto:catherine.krause@metrokc.gov>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Subject: RE: [legalxml-courtfiling] Interoperability SOW
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As it turns out, Dallas, you are right. King County asked me to report the
following:
"The old and new RFPs are both publicly available through King County
Procurement,
http://www.metrokc.gov/finance/procurement/E_Filing_Project_SuperiorCourt.as
p. Because we are currently in an active procurement process, we cannot
directly provide the documents in order to protect those members of our TC
that might be interested in bidding.
However, I should state that I do not believe a comparison between the two
will point toward what members of the TC seem to be looking for, which is an
indication of issues with the ECF 1.1 standard's interoperability that
resulted in the lack of implementation success with our prior vendor. As I
believe I have stated previously in postings to the TC, there were no
problems found during our acceptance testing that were specific to problems
with ECF 1.1. We were able to successfully use the ECF 1.1 envelope to
transmit documents from our EFSP web site to our EFM. We did not test
interoperability with any other EFSPs, so while we didn't find problems, we
also did not "prove" that there would not be any interoperability problems
if another EFSP had sent us filings. Our project was put on hold before we
could make any further progress."
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