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Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp
Rob, I agree with your proposal to focus on word processors for the first round of an interoperability workshop. To the list of applications I'd add: * Textmaker from Softmaker * Thoughtslinger * Mobile Office from Odendahl SEPT-Solutions Erwin robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote: > > The point is that there is not a lot of interesting interop between a > word processor and a presentation graphics editor. So we could have > people attending representing all application classes, but the > interoperability discussion will naturally break down into interop > within like product categories. That is the 1st order work that needs > to happen. > > My main concern is that if we tried to do all product categories we > would not get critical mass of attendance in some of them to accomplish > much interoperability work. > > -Rob > > ___________________________ > > Rob Weir > Software Architect > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software > IBM Software Group > > email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com > phone: 1-978-399-7122 > blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/ > > > *Dieter Loeschky <Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM>* > Sent by: Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM > > 06/01/2007 11:20 AM > > > To > robert_weir@us.ibm.com > cc > Louis Suarez-Potts <luispo@mac.com>, Dee Schur > <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, "'Jane Harnad'" > <jane.harnad@oasis-open.org>, "'John McCreesh'" <jpmcc@openoffice.org>, > odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org, pim.vandereijk@oasis-open.org > Subject > Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp > > > > > > > > > Hi Rob, > > I see your point but I would like to attract people from other areas > too. I would love to see more ODF implementations, not only word > processors or even Office applications. > > Do we have enough other contacts via the adoption committee? > > Regards, > Dieter > > -- > Sun Microsystems GmbH Dieter Loeschky > Nagelsweg 55 Senior Manager Software Engineering > 20097 Hamburg StarOffice / OpenOffice.org Development > Germany Phone: +49(0)40 236 46 500 > http://www.sun.com Dieter.Loeschky@sun.com > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: > Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten > Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 > Geschaeftsfuehrer: Marcel Schneider, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland Boemer > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering > > > > robert_weir@us.ibm.com schrieb: > > > > Would it be worth focusing on a single application time for this first > > interoperability event? Say, just word processors? I think it would be > > difficult to ensure that we have enough people with sufficient expertise > > in all three applications from all vendors, and even if we could, any > > topic would be interesting to only 1/3 of the engineers. > > > > So, if we focused on just ODF word processors, we could invite: > > > > 1) OpenOffice on Linux, Mac and Windows (we would want to consider cross > > platform fidelity issues even with a single application, and OO is a > > good example for this) > > 2) IBM > > 3) KDE > > 4) Google Docs > > 5) AbiWord > > 6) CleverAge (for the Word Plugin) or maybe Novell handles this? > > 7) ZohoWriter? > > 8) Anyone else? > > > > -Rob > > ___________________________ > > > > Rob Weir > > Software Architect > > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software > > IBM Software Group > > > > email: robert_weir@us.ibm.com > > phone: 1-978-399-7122 > > blog: http://www.robweir.com/blog/ > > > > > > *Louis Suarez-Potts <luispo@mac.com>* > > > > 06/01/2007 04:58 AM > > > > > > To > > Dee Schur <dee.schur@oasis-open.org> > > cc > > Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM, > odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org, "'John > > McCreesh'" <jpmcc@openoffice.org>, "'Jane Harnad'" > > <jane.harnad@oasis-open.org>, pim.vandereijk@oasis-open.org > > Subject > > Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > On 2007-05-30, at 16:16 , Dee Schur wrote: > > > > > Hi Louis and Dieter, > > > I think these are both great ideas but slightly different, which is > > > good. > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > Louis, > > > I think your camp concept is terrific > > > > (not mine; Don came up with the idea, but it is good) > > > > > > > and can easily be coordinated through > > > the Adoption TC with you as a lead. > > > > > > I'd rather have Dieter lead the camp; Dieter and Rob, say, as the > > camp must be technical and I'm not technically competent enough to > > pose as lead, let alone lead. > > > > > > > Since there will be no presentations, it > > > seems to me that as long as you secure the space, you will be set. > > > OASIS can > > > promote the 'ODF Camp' in the same manner we always do (posting to > > > event > > > page, OASIS News, etc.) So, as soon as you have a written description > > > inviting participants, we can move forward with various postings. > > > > > > Great, let's start inviting :-) > > > > Dieter, Rob (if you are here...): > > > > Let's coordinate on inviting candidates. We can coordinate off this > > list but why? I'd like to invite essentially all those implementing > > ODF or wanting to. I don't have contacts in all these companies. > > > > But I think we have to finalize the invitations by, say, end of next > > week? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dieter, > > > I think your concept will take longer to execute properly, so we > > > might think > > > about late in 2007 or 2008. During the last Adoption call we tossed > > > around > > > the idea of a stand alone ODF event (one or two days), that can either > > > co-locate with another conference or act as a stand alone that could > > > possibly be hosted at a member facility in various locations. Once > > > you put > > > this type of effort together it is easy to duplicate in different > > > locations. > > > I would like each member to consider hosting such an event and/or > > > suggest an > > > event/conference that would an appropriate venue for 'ODF Day(s).' > > > I think > > > an Asian venue would be interesting, any thoughts? I would like to > > > see how > > > much interest we have for this before we commit a lot of cycles. I > > > think it > > > is a great idea, and ODF is gaining tremendous speed but I will > > > need the > > > support of the Adoption TC. > > > > > > Dee, I think I resolved Dieter's points, and I think Dieter was > > thinking of presentations in the context of OOoCon. Last year and > > year before and year before that we had tracks on ODF; this year will > > likely be no different. So, we can have ODF presentations throughout > > the conference, without OASIS' specific intervention, though your > > support would always be helpful. > > > > best, > > Louis > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > Dee > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM [mailto:Dieter.Loeschky@Sun.COM] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:21 AM > > > To: Louis Suarez-Potts > > > Cc: Dee Schur; odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org; John McCreesh; > > > Jane Harnad > > > Subject: Re: [odf-adoption] RE: need confirmation on ODF Camp > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I would love to see technical presentations (e.g. reports from the > > > Metadata SC, Formula SC, ...) as well as status presentations (e.g. > > > ODF > > > roadmap, ODF adoption, ...). > > > Furthermore we should have workshops on ODF interoperability in ODF > > > enabled applications (OOo, KOffice, ...) and ODF processing (server > > > and > > > client side). > > > Taking the ODF Toolkit project into account, I hope that we can > > > attract > > > additional audience outside the classic OOo public. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dieter > > > > > > -- > > > Sun Microsystems GmbH Dieter Loeschky > > > Nagelsweg 55 Senior Manager Software Engineering > > > 20097 Hamburg StarOffice / OpenOffice.org > > > Development > > > Germany Phone: +49(0)40 236 46 500 > > > http://www.sun.com Dieter.Loeschky@sun.com > > > > > > Sitz der Gesellschaft: > > > Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, D-85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten > > > Amtsgericht Muenchen: HRB 161028 > > > Geschaeftsfuehrer: Marcel Schneider, Wolfgang Engels, Dr. Roland > > > Boemer > > > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Haering > > > > > > > > > > > > Louis Suarez-Potts schrieb: > > >> Hi > > >> On 2007-05-29, at 21:12 , Dee Schur wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Louis, > > >>> We did discuss your email on the ODF Adoption call this morning > > >>> and I was > > >>> hoping that you would have joined the call. > > >>> It was mentioned that it may be difficult to keep attendees with > > >>> split > > >>> session (19 and 21 of September) on ODF. I'm not certain that > > >>> this is a > > >>> problem. > > >> > > >> Depends. > > >> > > >> > > >>> In terms of the ODF camp, how many competing tracks will occur > > >>> simultaneously? Is this a speaker/presentation format? If so, how > > >>> many > > >>> speakers? Or is it an interactive learning event with tutorials and > > >>> clinics? > > >>> Is this a plug-fest? Who will select the presenters, are you on the > > >>> programme committee? > > >> > > >> Camp: it's a workshop. No presentations except impromptu ones. > > >> Rather, > > >> work on code. > > >> > > >> > > >>> If we do a showcase/demo, I would like to approach the participating > > >>> vendors > > >>> about sponsorship after I understand the openoffice.org conference > > >>> funding > > >>> model. > > >> > > >> > > >> Model: We ask for donations. See > > >> http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2007/sponsorship.html > > >> > > >> > > >>> But OOoCon may not be in favor of vendors demoing their products? > > >> > > >> Indeed, we are not. We are in favour of vendors speaking about > > >> experience about their experience with their products, esp. if they > > >> concern OOo--are derived from it or in some way relate to it. Example > > >> could be, KOffice speaking about heterogeneous environment, > > >> KOffice/OOo, > > >> say. > > >> > > >> > > >>> A > > >>> traditional OASIS InterOp would require a scenario that solves a > > >>> business > > >>> problem and solution, they are non-promotional in nature but members > > >>> report > > >>> that the InterOps drive business to their company. Of course, > > >>> open-source > > >>> participation would also be encouraged. I also wanted to pursue the > > >>> InterOp > > >>> because we are trying to increase membership in the Adoption TC > > >>> and the > > >>> possibility of participating in this event would encourage these > > >>> potential > > >>> new members to join the Adoption TC. > > >> > > >> OOo and ODF are not quite like regular OASIS formats, I think. > > >> > > >> The point of the camp is actually to improve interoperability > > >> among the > > >> ODF implementations. But the presentations, given at OOoCon, must > > >> really > > >> relate to OOo, as well as ODF. > > >> > > >> > > >>> Do we have any idea of number and type of attendees? It is my > > >>> understanding > > >>> that this event is heavily attended by public sector folks or is it > > >>> mostly > > >>> developers? > > >> > > >> Both. In years past, numbers have trended up from 300-350. I > > >> think this > > >> year it will be more popular. > > >> > > >>> I have many more questions, maybe we should plan another call > > >>> since it > > >>> sounds like you are under the gun. > > >> > > >> Quite. :-) > > >> > > >> But I'm in Moscow for the next couple of days, then back to London. I > > >> can manage one via Skype or equiv., but I want to hear from > > >> Dieter, too. > > >> > > >>> Thanks! > > >>> Dee > > >> > > >> best > > >> louis > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Louis Suarez-Potts [mailto:luispo@mac.com] > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:28 PM > > >>> To: odf-adoption@lists.oasis-open.org > > >>> Cc: John McCreesh; Dee Schur; Dieter Loeschky > > >>> Subject: need confirmation on ODF Camp > > >>> > > >>> Hi > > >>> A couple of days ago I sent a note to this list, cc'ing Dee Schur > > >>> and > > >>> several others. [0]. > > >>> > > >>> No response so far. That's unfortunate. We need to decide on the > > >>> logistics of the event, and soon. > > >>> > > >>> Here is the idea: > > >>> > > >>> Wednesday have a 1/2 or even full day "camp" that would work on > > >>> "normalizing" interoperability among ODF implementations. > > >>> > > >>> Options: > > >>> > > >>> ** It could run in parallel to the regular scheduled talks, as a > > >>> stream. > > >>> > > >>> Or, > > >>> > > >>> ** it would be one of the streams > > >>> > > >>> The latter option would necessary crowd out other papers. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Opinions? > > >>> > > >>> My own preference would be to have a parallel track. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Please respond as soon as you can. > > >>> > > >>> best > > >>> Louis > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > >
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