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Subject: OIC TC 2009-09-09 Meeting Minutes
OIC TC 2009-09-09 COORDINATION CALL
Date: Wednesday, 9 September 2009
Time: 13:30 - 14:30 UT
1. LOGISTICS
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The chat room: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/oic (doesn't count as attendance)
The call-in numbers: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200903/msg00017.html
*** NOTE: A New Pass Code has been assigned for these calls.
Meeting agendas also provide the pass codes and the call-in numbers:
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200909/msg00003.html>
The action items (log-in required):
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oic/members/action_items.php
1.1 ROLL CALL AND QUORUM CHECK
The start of meeting was delayed until a quorum arrive. The quorum had 6 of 9 voting members in attendance (5 required to satisfy >50% quorum requirement).
MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE
* Bart Hanssens, Fedict (Chair)
* Mingfei Jia, IBM
* Robert Weir, IBM
* Dennis Hamilton, Individual (secretary)
* Andrew Rist, Oracle
* Bernd Eilers, Sun Microsystems
Daniel Rentz, Sun Microsystems
Svante Schubert, Sun Microsystems
Louis Suarez-Potts, Sun Microsystems
[* = Voting Member at start of meeting (six)
+ = becoming Voting Member at conclusion of meeting (none)]
MEMBERS ABSENT
Charles Schulz, Ars Aperta
Xiaohong Dong, Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software
Peter Junge, Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software
Alex Wang, Beijing Sursen International
Jeremy Allison, Google Inc.
* Don Harbison, IBM
Pierre Ducroquet, Individual
* Andreas Guelzow, Individual
Thorsten Zachmann, Individual
Doug Mahugh, Microsoft
Eric Patterson, Microsoft
Patrick Strader, Microsoft
- Alan Clark, Novell
Tom Rabon, Red Hat
Mathias Bauer, Sun Microsystems
Michael Brauer, Sun Microsystems
Jerry Smith, US Department of Defense
[* = Voting Member at start and end of meeting (three)
- = Voting Member becoming non-voting Member at end of meeting (two)]
1.2 ACCEPTANCE OF PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES
The August 28 meeting minutes were approved without objection.
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200908/msg00038.html>
An incorrect word ("many" should be "may") in section 7 will be corrected in a comment on the entry for the document in the OIC TC document registry:
<http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=33996&wg_abbrev=oic>
1.3 ACCEPTANCE OF TODAY'S AGENDA (approved without objection)
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200909/msg00003.html>
2. STATUS OF ACTION ITEMS
#0001 OpenDocument Fellowship/Intel Contact. No news at this point.
#0015 Template Scenario: No progress while #0032 is incomplete.
#0026 Test Scenarios - No report.
#0027 Test Scenarios - No report.
#0028 Virtual Plugfest - No report.
There was some discussion around how a virtual plugfest might work and what would collaboration software provide. Having edited captures and videos of live scenarios might be useful for reporting interoperability testing achievements at events and other situations. Louis Suarez-Potts took the new action item (#0033) on capturing videos.
#0029 OOoCon2009 ODF/Interop. Bart has filed an abstract for a presentation at OOoCon2009 on the ODF Track, which will be on Wednesday, Thursday, and half-day on Friday at the conference. This item is now closed.
#0031 UOF-ODF. There has been inconclusive discussion so far, with nothing reported back yet. Louis thinks that there may be more news when Peter Junge returns from vacation.
#0032 Arrange to have the wiki fixed after breaking changes upgrading to version 1.6. Dennis took the action to have this resolved by 2009-09-02. (See the thread starting from <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200908/msg00018.html>.) The SVN backup and the upgraded wiki are now synchronized. Additional repairs for the breakage left by the upgrade are now continuing. This action will be completed by the next (09-23) call.
#0033 End-User Best Practices for Document Portability. Rob Weir is starting this off. (See 7.3, below.)
3. STATE OF INTEROPERABILITY
Document version:
<http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/group_public/document.php?document_id=33929>.
Rob proposed that we vote on the one that is currently posted. We will set up that ballot to end just before the next (09-23) call.
4. APPLICATION SCENARIOS
Current document draft:
<http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/group_public/document.php?document_id=33939>
The electronic ballot failed for lack of a sufficient number of "yes" votes (only 45%).
There are also a number of comments and JIRA issues that accompanied the abstention from Dennis Hamilton. Bart is going to look into those.
Dennis summarized his comments by saying the biggest question is who are the audiences for this document and for the documents that are created in conformance with it. Also, our use of conformance language and terms like "normative" and "non-normative" needs to be cleaned up.
Further review, commentary, and identification of JIRA issues is requested.
5. ODF 1.1 INTEROP PROFILE
Current document draft:
<http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oic/document.php?document_id=33688>
Bart explained his motivation for this. The goal is for finding reasonable interpretations and recommendations around interoperability difficulties on a much faster cycle than one for revisions and errata to the OASIS Standard specifications.
Rob emphasized having resolutions that improve interoperability at a pace that is not over-run by new versions of the specification and of implementations. It was observed that 1.2 could over-take recommendations around 1.1. On the other hand, there are areas where the resolution and test guidance for 1.1 would work for 1.2 as well.
For us, it all boiled down to what we can do when we encounter an interoperability issue: documenting the issue, then documenting a way forward that the community can use.
ACTION REQUEST REPEATED: Look the document over and discuss it on the list, on the agenda of future meetings, etc.
6. UPDATE ON ODF PLUGFEST IN ORVIETO ITALY
We are having the plugfest on 2-3 November in Orvieto.
Rob reported that agreement is moving along. Drafts of invitation letters will be created to go out on Friday, September 11.
<http://plugtest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=plugfests:200911_orvieto:info>.
7. ROUND TABLE
7.1 Using JIRA
Dennis suggested that we need to introduce a process for moving JIRA issues toward resolution. We are accumulating a backlog.
There are two actions:
1. Use the JIRA workflow to move items to applied resolution (or no action) before they are closed.
2. Individuals should request review of specific issues as part of the agenda for an upcoming meeting.
7.2 Other Events
There was discussion of other events that might benefit from OIC reports, plugfests, or other presentations on what is being accomplished. Examples in October include one in Utah (October 8-9) and one in Toronto (late October).
7.3 End-User Best Practices for Document Portability
Rob is thinking about writing up something that explained, in end-user terms, what are the best practices for producing portable documents. There was support for the idea and Rob is going to start by making a wiki page for collecting thoughts on what the best practices would be. (New Action Item #0033.)
7.4 Miscellaneous
Rob asked who has the oldest word processor that they can still find a document for. Dennis observed that he has documents that he cannot find a processor for any longer, not even upgraders into newer processors.
Bart reported that he is still waiting for information on the IADBC ODEF project.
8. FUTURE MEETING PLANNING
The next call is Wednesday, 2009-09-23.
10. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 14:32Z.
Respectfully submitted,
- Dennis E. Hamilton
OIC TC Secretary
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