OIC TC 2009-12-16 Meeting Minutes

["Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>]

OIC TC 2009-12-16 COORDINATION CALL

Date:  Wednesday, 16 December 2009
Time:  14:30 - 15:30 UT

1. LOGISTICS
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The chat room: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/oic (doesn't count as attendance)

The call-in numbers: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200903/msg00017.html 
Meeting agendas also provide the pass codes and the call-in numbers:
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200912/msg00047.html>

The action items (log-in required):
  http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oic/members/action_items.php

1.1 ROLL CALL AND QUORUM CHECK
The quorum consisted of 11 of the 11 Voting Members (6/11 required).

    MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE

    * Bart Hanssens, Fedict (Chair)
    * Donald Harbison, IBM
    * Mingfei Jia, IBM
    * Robert Weir, IBM
    * Andreas Guelzow, Individual
    * Dennis Hamilton, Individual (Secretary)
    + Cherie Ekholm, Microsoft
      Alan Clark, Novell
    * Andrew Rist, Oracle
    * Bernd Eilers, Sun Microsystems
    * Daniel Rentz, Sun Microsystems
    * Svante Schubert, Sun Microsystems
    * Louis Suarez-Potts, Sun Microsystems

      [* = Voting Member at start of meeting (11)
       + = becoming Voting Member at conclusion of meeting (1)]

    MEMBERS ABSENT

      Charles Schulz, Ars Aperta
      Xiaohong Dong, Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software
      Shuran Hua, Beijing Redflag Chinese 2000 Software
      Alex Wang, Beijing Sursen International 
      Jeremy Allison, Google Inc.
      Peter Junge, Individual
      Thorsten Zachmann, Individual
      Doug Mahugh, Microsoft
      Eric Patterson, Microsoft
      Tom Rabon, Red Hat
      Mathias Bauer, Sun Microsystems
      Michael Brauer, Sun Microsystems
      Jerry Smith, US Department of Defense

      [* = Voting Member at start and end of meeting (0)
       - = Voting Member becoming non-voting Member at end of meeting (0)]

1.2 ACCEPTANCE OF PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES

Minutes for the 2009-11-18 Meeting 
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200912/msg00021.html>: Bart offered a comment that the languages being targeted by the French project include PERL and not C++.  This will be reflected in a comment supplementing what was reported in the minutes.  The minutes were approved without objection.

Minutes for the 2009-12-02 Meeting
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200912/msg00022.html>.  Approved without objection


1.3 ACCEPTANCE OF TODAY'S AGENDA.
   <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200912/msg00047.html>
   The agenda was accepted without objection.

2. STATUS OF ACTION ITEMS

#0001 OpenDocument Fellowship/Intel Contact. Rob reports that he's still waiting to hear back from Intel.  The organization that developed the test documents no longer exists and there may be no one in a position to release the materials.

#0015 Template Scenarios.  Dennis Hamilton reported.  This work is still backed-up behind #0032.  Now that #0032 is being finalized, Dennis promised something as a Christmas present.

#0026-0027.  Cherie asked for more details about what is expected here.  The combination of actions is described as creation of a "How to" on how to contribute application scenarios and also providing specimen documents in the categories.  Cherie took over the items but pointed out that contribution of documents may be a few months out before there will be opportunity to submit test documents.  She will look at developing the procedure in January.

#0032 Repair of Wiki Update Breakage.  Dennis reported that final touch-up and opening up the entry page to the Specification Analysis Wiki would be completed at once.

#0033 Best Practices for Document Authors.  Rob reported that there have been no changes on the wiki.  He had done a presentation at the Orvieto plugfest and wants reach some sort of technical report.  The current material is rather thin and more suggestions are requested for the wiki.  Bart said we need more background content for the items also.  Rob considered we need hard facts from researches done ourselves or references to other studies where people have looked into portability, even of other formats.

#0034 Interop Demo Videos.  Louis reported that there is apparently nothing happening and is looking at doing some work on interop demo videos himself.

#0035 FOSDEM 2010.  Bart reported that there will be no ODF developer rooms, but that open-source ODF developers can share a room with the OpenOffice.org developers.  There is a call-for-papers at <http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=FOSDEM/2010/CFP>, and also <http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Conferences/FOSDEM/2010>.  Bart will be in his office the Friday afternoon before this weekend event.  OIC participants who may be there then can e-mail Bart and arrange a birds-of-a-feather informal gathering on ODF.
   This Action Item will be closed now.


3. STATE OF INTEROPERABILITY REPORT
   The ballot to approve cd03 for Public Review passed.
   <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oic/ballot.php?id=1804>
   Although there is already an issue (OIC-38) that it would be nice to do something about, we concluded that the most-straightforward action would be to carry out the Public Review on CD03 and treat OIC-38 as a comment against that review.  Also, Rob Weir will prepare a FAQ for oic-comment to guide people who submit comments or are interesting in following the comments and their resolution.

4. ODF 1.1 INTEROP PROFILE
Bart has prepared a revision of Interop Profile CD01.  
<http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oic/document.php?document_id=35565>

There is a full-up profile compliance condition that prevents cherry-picking of profile items. There is no partial compliance.  Bart will issue a ballot for approval as CD02 that is timed to end just before then next meeting (January 13).


5. ROUNDTABLE

Rob reported on the activity of the ODF TC.  ODF 1.2 Part 1 CD04 has been approved for 30-day Public Review.  ODF 1.2 Part 3 CD01 is still in Public Review.  ODF 1.2 Part 2, OpenFormula, is now receiving concentrated attention, but there is no prediction on when it will be available.  Eventually, it looks like there will be a mandatory 60-day review that includes all parts for taking forward as a single OASIS Standard.  Although it is permissible to take the parts forward as three separate standards, there has been no strong argument made for that.

Bart had a question on RDF Metadata in ODF 1.2.  There will be a larger set of sample/test documents, according to Svante, usable in showing non-technical users the benefit of the RDF Metadata, extraction with GRDDL, etc.  Bart wanted to know if the material is normative, but Svante was only talking about contributing materials to OIC around testing, not anything to take to ODF TC around the specification.

Svante has created a coverage table for Part 3 based on the Table of Contents for ODF 1.2 Part 3 CD01.  Svante observed that special terminology for packages, the use of other standards/specifications by reference, are all areas that may need creation of tests for those.  The identification-of-features discussion will continue on the list.

Svante also talked about prospects of test automation, thinking in terms of what Alex Brown is doing.  We should also look at the Test Assertions Guidelines (TAG) TC work, since that may be amenable to some degree of automation as well, according to Dennis.
  
6. FUTURE MEETING PLANNING

The meeting scheduled for December 30 was cancelled without objection.  The next meeting will be January 13 on the regular two-weeks schedule.




Respectfully submitted,

 Dennis E. Hamilton