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Subject: OIC TC 2010-08-25 Meeting Minutes
OIC COORDINATION CALL
Date: Wednesday 25 August 2010
Time: 13:30 - 14:30 UT
1. LOGISTICS
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The chat room: <http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/oic>
(doesn't count for attendance)
The call-in numbers: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200903/msg00017.html>
Meeting agendas also provide the pass codes and the call-in numbers:
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201008/msg00018.html>
The action items (log-in required):
<http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oic/members/action_items.php>
1.1 ROLL CALL AND QUORUM CHECK
8 of 9 Voting members attended, satisfying the 5 of 9 requirement for a quorum.
MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE
* Bart Hanssens, Fedict (Chair)
* Donald Harbison, IBM
* Mingfei Jia, IBM
* Robert Weir, IBM
* Andreas Guelzow, Individual
* Dennis Hamilton, Individual (Secretary)
* Cherie Ekholm, Microsoft
Andrew Rist, Oracle Corporation
= Svante Schubert, Oracle Corporation
* Louis Suarez-Potts, Oracle Corporation
[* = Voting Member at start of meeting (8)
+ = becoming Voting Member at conclusion of meeting (0)
= = Persistent Non-Voting Member (1)]
MEMBERS ABSENT
Charles Schulz, Ars Aperta
Alex Wang, Beijing Sursen International
Jeremy Allison, Google Inc.
Peter Junge, Individual
Thorsten Zachmann, Individual
Doug Mahugh, Microsoft
Eric Patterson, Microsoft
Alan Clark, Novell
= Michael Brauer, Oracle Corporation
* Bernd Eilers, Oracle Corporation
Daniel Rentz, Oracle Corporation
Tom Rabon, Red Hat
Jerry Smith, US Department of Defense
[* = Voting Member at start and end of meeting (1)
- = Voting Member becoming non-voting Member at end of meeting (0)
= = Persistent Non-Voting Member (1)]
1.2 ACCEPTANCE OF PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES
Minutes for the 2010-08-11 Meeting, approved without objection
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201008/msg00017.html>
1.3 ACCEPTANCE OF TODAY'S AGENDA: approved without objection
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201008/msg00018.html>
2. STATUS OF ACTION ITEMS
#0015 Template Scenarios. No progress. New promise to be made beyond completion of ODF 1.2 Public Review
#0026 Test Scenarios: On track for Plugfest in October
#0033 Best Practices for Document Authors. No progress until after Budapest and Plugfest.
#0034 Interop Demo Videos. no change.
#0038 Clean OTT specification template. No action yet.
#0041 (New) Battery of Conformance Assessment Tests. Targeting for October Plugfest
3. STATE OF INTEROPERABILITY REPORT e-BALLOT
The quality check for submitting this document to a new Public Review failed. There is a master template change that we need to honor. There will need to be another vote to make the modification a CD for Public Review. We discussed having that ready for approval at the next meeting, including turning the footnotes into references to additions of an informative references section.
We discussed the forthcoming OASIS Technical/Committee Note and how that template and process may be more suitable for future versions of this report. This might also be something that works well for advisories. A notable difference for an OASIS Committee Note is that there is no normative content and the IPR Policy does not apply.
4. INTEROP ADVISORIES
< http://wiki.oasis-open.org/oic/InteropAdvisories>
#00005 is new.
#00003 Change of status to Candidate was approved without objection.
#00004 was discussed.
Rob noticed several parts of ODF where there is content as well as a preview or object replacement. For example there may be a rendition that a consumer can present without conducting an elaborate re-derivation except when needed or requested. Rob observes that toolkits have a difficult time noticing when a change they are making might invalidate alternative or in-document cached material. [dh: It is certainly the case that more-or-less direct modification of ODF markup can lead to inconsistencies that would not happen when modification is mediated by a full-up office-productivity software product.]
We engaged in a discussion about the various ways that a document can have parts be out of date or touched (that is, made "dirty") in ways where related features are not adjusted to reflect the change.
We talked about security issues and handling of dependency problems when allowing a document to be signed, the use of timestamps to detect potential inconsistencies, and the notion that it can all be solved with RDF. Dennis objects to viewing RDF as active rather than descriptive and passive with respect to what it describes. He claims it is a mistake to think that RDF is a proper way to inject behavior into an ODF document.
It was suggested that this is a fruitful area to look into, although we had no ideas how to break it down to something manageable. We did notice that we are talking about matters (such as cache consistency and naming/referential-integrity) that are considered among the hard problems of computer science.
5. STATUS OF ODF EVENTS
5.1 ODF INTEROP DEMO (September, Budapest)
Don Harbison reported that the demo is coming along pretty well. It is in the end game on the stages of flow for the two-hour session.
Don said they are noticing some cases that might be usefully brought forward to the Plugfest in Brussels. Validators need to be checked/checking better. The team also has observations that may be of value to OIC and the ODF TC. The work is heads-down in preparing for the demo, but there is documenting of experience and a trail on the wiki that is being used.
Rob remarks that one value of the Interop Demo effort already has been the attraction of different OASIS Member companies that were not on the ODF TC, but were involved with ODF in various ways.
5.2 ODF PLUGFEST (October, Brussels)
<http://www.odfplugfest.be/>
Bart reported that this planning is going well. The Friday, general-public program is set and there will be attendees from local companies and institutions in Brussels. The target remains up to 75 participants. There is also a short brochure being prepared on who is participating and the nature of the event. There is interest in recording the sessions, but it is not clear whether that will be arranged at this point.
For Thursday, the day of plugfest activity, Bart mentions that DeltaXML may present their proposal on tracking document changes. More scenarios and technical discussion offers are welcome. Bart expect there will be an abundance of test documents and scenarios to exercise.
6. ROUND TABLE
Rob mentions that he's heard of a November event in China on document formats. Dennis speculated whether there might be a relationship between that event and the meeting held in Seoul on CJK Issue. Mingfei said there might be a China meeting in December related to the ISO SC34 WG5 work on harmonization of the ISO document standards.
Louis pointed out that the 5th anniversaries of ODF could also provide celebratory events.
7. FUTURE MEETING PLANNING
The next meeting is on September 8 at the usual time.
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Respectfully submitted,
Dennis E. Hamilton, OIC TC Secretary
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