Re: [oic] Table header

[Svante Schubert <svante.schubert@gmail.com>]

Hi Andreas,

you have solved my understanding problems. Still some notes/questions
below..

Am 08.11.2011 22:31, schrieb Andreas J. Guelzow:
> On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 13:55 -0700, Svante Schubert wrote:
>> table:table-columns seems to be a redundant element as none repetition
>> should be the default.
> Yes. I am pretty sure there are other redundant elements and attributes
> in ODF. I do not see a problem with that. 
Redundancy means unnecessary complexity. Boilerplate.
What exactly would be the problem to deprecate redundant
attributes/elements?
>> Why is the header not mandatory first in the table?
> Imagine you start a table with several "header" rows but on following
> pages you only want to repeat say the last two of those "header" rows
> since they would suffice for recognition of the columns.
This I do not fully understand. All header rows will repeat. All header
rows are adjacent. Only there place within the rows is arbitrary (start,
end..anywhere).
Could you rephrase your example, please.
>
>>         Is anyone aware of an table application (not necessary an ODF
>>         application) that is able to have header in arbitrary places?
>>         
> Excel used to be able to do that (it has been 2 decades since I have
> used it but I suspect it is still possible.) Gnumeric can have a single
> set of header rows in arbitrary places.
You are right, I simply forgot that people are using headlines and
comments in the beginning rows / columns.
Excel does indeed support the similar feature of continuous headers (see
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/videos/video-add-a-header-for-columns-and-rows-in-an-excel-worksheet-VA102559185.aspx?CTT=1).
Installed Gnumeric and observed similar behavior.
>>         
>>         And if headers can be on arbitrary positions, what would be
>>         the position of the header on the next page?
> On the pages following the natural occurrence of the header rows they
> appear at the top of the page.
Indeed.
>
>>         The first, similar position as on the first page or last
>>         position?
> For example, say header rows are rows 50 & 51.
>
> page 1 shows rows 1 to 30, the header rows do not appear on this page
> yet.
>
> page 2 shows rows 31 to 60, the header rows appear in their natural
> position, ie. between rows 49 and 52.
>
> page 3 shows rows 50,51,61 to 88, with the header rows appearing at the
> top of the page
>
> Second example, say header rows are rows 60 & 61:
>
> page 1 shows rows 1 to 30, the header rows do not appear on this page
> yet.
>
> page 2 shows rows 31 to 60, the header row 60 appears in its natural
> position, ie. after row 59.
>
> page 3 shows rows 60,61 to 88, with the header row 60 appearing at the
> top of the page and header row 61 in its natural position, ie before row
> 62 (and after the repeated header row 60).
>
> page 4 shows rows 60,61,89 to 116, with the header rows appearing at the
> top of the page.
>
> Within a spreadsheet program this for example allows the statistical
> analysis to precede the data on the same sheet and in a print out the
> data immediately to follow the end of the of the analysis.
I tested and could observe the same behavior.
Thanks for your quick feed-back, Andreas!

Now that I am certain about the right behavior, I think it is possible
to make the schema more strict.
But that would be a different mail, on a different day..

- Svante