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Subject: RE: [opendocument-users] Implementor notes
Hi Bart, I was not thinking that the OIC's on-line Specification Analysis would be a place for implementation notes or even linking to someone's implementation-note details. It seems to me that implementation notes need to be independently authorable, versioned, annotated, etc., and their availability and content should be under the authority of the respective implementer. - Dennis MORE THOUGHTS My thinking is that the on-line OIC material be a resource that independently-developed implementation notes can use to refer to the deep-linkable version of the ODF specification along with its connection to OIC analysis, conformance notes, interoperability cases, and test guidance. I was not suggesting anything about how implementation notes would be made available. I imagined that independently-developed web-accessible ones could tie to the OIC Specification Analysis and related material. I'm sure implementers will have their own ideas about the way they want to develop, organize, and deliver any implementation notes, especially with consideration of different releases, handling up- and down-level accommodation of different ODF versions, etc. For any implementation notes that I make, I will use web pages that link to the OIC material. In the absence of the on-line OIC material, now that I see how to organize the material as an annotated hypertext document on the web, I would simply do the same thing using web pages directly, with cross-references with the accompanying implementation interpretations. I imagine the result would be similar to the Microsoft notes and annotations for the Office 2007 implementation of ODF, especially when made locally searchable in nice ways. I'm not sure whether enabling comments at the individual implementation topic is needed for my projects. Fine-grained note-level commenting could be provided using something like Disqus perhaps. In many ways, using a web-authoring approach would permit direct tie-in with source-code management and versioning support. Much of the complexity of bending MoinMoin to my will would be avoided. Either way, there is probably more that can be done with automated tools in the off-line authoring part of the task. (I would not use a database for presentation, but page-generation might eventually be supported by a database in some way. That is beyond my current planning horizon. I always find a manual technique that works first and then see how to computer-aid the process once I have a good understanding of what's needed.) What I have learned about all of this so far is recounted at <http://wiki.oasis-open.org/oic/SpecAnalysis/Discussion>. - Dennis Dennis E. Hamilton ------------------ NuovoDoc: Design for Document System Interoperability mailto:Dennis.Hamilton@acm.org | gsm:+1-206.779.9430 http://NuovoDoc.com http://ODMA.info/dev/ http://nfoWorks.org -----Original Message----- From: Hanssens Bart [mailto:Bart.Hanssens@fedict.be] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/opendocument-users/200906/msg00067.html Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 01:30 To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org; 'Sander Marechal' Cc: opendocument-users@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [opendocument-users] Implementor notes [ ... ] But I'm not sure if it still scales if we have to maintain the links to notes (perhaps in several languages) and bug tracks of various products, as well as general remarks etc. Or maybe that's just me dreaming of a perfect world again :-) [ ... ] ________________________________________ From: Dennis E. Hamilton [dennis.hamilton@acm.org] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/opendocument-users/200906/msg00066.html Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:50 AM To: 'Sander Marechal'; Hanssens Bart Cc: opendocument-users@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [opendocument-users] Implementor notes Sander, some additional information related to this thread: 1. Something like this is being done on the OIC TC by putting the ODF 1.1 specification up on a Wiki. Some initial fragments can be seen at <http://wiki.oasis-open.org/oic/SpecAnalysis>. The design is intended to support linking to separate annotation pages that address matters of concern to the ODF Interoperability and Conformance (OIC) TC. [ ... ] -----Original Message----- From: Sander Marechal [mailto:s.marechal@jejik.com] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/opendocument-users/200906/msg00064.html Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 15:23 To: Hanssens Bart Cc: opendocument-users@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [opendocument-users] Implementor notes Hanssens Bart wrote: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/opendocument-users/200906/msg00061.html > Well, if OASIS publishes an XHTML version of the spec, with predictable > anchors for every numbered section, every implementer could publish > an Atom stream with a link to that particular section. Yes, that is an excellent suggestion IMHO. Could the ODF interop TC help with this? It seems like a very practical thing that doesn't add much value to the standard by itself but which could really help developers with interop. Bonus points if the anchors are persistent over different ODF versions when a certain element or section hasn't changed in the spec. -- Sander Marechal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opendocument-users-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: opendocument-users-help@lists.oasis-open.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opendocument-users-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: opendocument-users-help@lists.oasis-open.org
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