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Subject: RE: [plcs-dex] document properties issues?


Hi All, thanks for the feedback.
 
i) I guess I wasn't party to the other discussions but I agree with you that the subtyping does indicate a difference in how properties are handled.
 
I can re-use & reference C076 in C087 and make the distinctions clear. For example, I presume that we will not need qualifiers such as "predicted" or "required", but would keep "actual" (e.g. when talking about file-size, page-length etc.,).
 
However, if we make changes to C076 in the future this will probably mean changes downstream also.
 
ii) Another thing I just noticed in the module (1126- document_properties), is that it states A Document_property_representation is a type of id that conveys the parameters of a particular aspect of an Assigned_document_property. In fact, a Document_property_representation is a type of representation. Is/was this is another issue?
 
regards,
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bodington [mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]
Sent: 11 August 2004 03:28
To: timturner11@bellsouth.net; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [plcs-dex] document properties issues?

Hi Tim

My inclination is still to have a separate capability for document properties – either as a separate capability or part of the representing_documents capability.

 

We had exactly the same discussion for process and resource properties and it was concluded that we should split the properties capability into separate capabilities:

assigning_process_properties

assigning_resource_properties

 

Agreed that document is a subtype of product, however, if you look at the module, you will see that subtyping has been used to indicate that the document propeorties are different.

 

So if we include the document properties in with product properties then any DEX that is just dealing with parts will get the document properties as well. Not sure that this is a good idea.

 

 

What does everyone else think?

Regards
Rob

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-----Original Message-----
From: tim turner [mailto:
timturner11@bellsouth.net]
Sent: 11 August 2004 06:06
To: '
Rob Bodington'; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc:
timturner11@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: [plcs-dex] document properties issues?

 

Rob and others,

 

1.  Module ISO/TS 10303-1126:2004 (Document properties) states;

The document_property_item type is an extension of the property_assignment_select type. It adds the data types Document_definition and File to the list of alternate data types. However, this type is actually not present in the PLCS longform as on stepmod at present, or in any previous version I can find. The document_definition and file entity objects required for document properties are present in the parent object though. 

 

Has the former now been dropped from PLCS? Which is supposed to be used?

 

I presume this is/was either an issue against the module or against the PLCS model.

 

2. With respect to the ongoing discussion; if document properties are not to be included in C076 assigning_product_properties, then can I suggest that the introduction is misleading as it states "The purpose of the "Assigning Properties to Products" capability is to describe how properties are assigned to products and their subtypes". It then gives two examples, but is clearly not definitive as to what subtypes are or are not within scope.

 

regards,

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: tim turner [mailto:timturner11@bellsouth.net]
Sent: 10 August 2004 18:48
To: 'Rob Bodington'; plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [plcs-dex] document properties

Apologies for the late reply Rob,

 

From another view, document is a type of product and as such should therefore, be handled by this capability rather than creating or enlarging the scope of other capabilities that are already becomming too large. 

 

Also document properties do not apply to files (digital/hardcopy files) since they are not subtypes of product & do not have am associated definition, but cannot use the existing capability because the property_assignment_select type does not include files. In fact it only includes one of the 18 possible types, which means potentially another 17 capabilities to cover all! 

 

Documents could be covered by adding one subtype to the existing capability (assigned_document_property) & adding two items to the above mentioned select type (since document_definition is not a subtype of product_view_definition & files are independantly defined).

 

I can create a new capability or add to existing ones but it would mean repeating a large amount of information already within assigning_product_properties.


regards,

Tim

 

 -----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bodington [mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]
Sent: 29 July 2004 03:30
To: plcs-dex@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [plcs-dex] document properties

Hi

An issue was raised against the capability: Capability (C076):— assigning_product_properties

that we should include document properties in it.

 

Given that we decided to treat product properties, resource properties and activity properties as separate capabilities, and given that the document property module subtypes the generic property model,

it seems to me that  document properties should not be part of assigning_product_properties

 

Rather it should either be a separate capability or part of representing_documents capability.

Given that you nearly always want to represent a documents properties whenever you represent a document and given that document properties will never be used with anything other than documents, I think that document properties should form part of the representing_documents capability

 

Any thoughts?

Regards
Rob

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Eurostep Limited
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Email: Rob.Bodington@eurostep.com
Phone: +44 (0)1454 270030
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