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Subject: RE: [plcs] Global rules in the AP


Ok, agreed. It was a bad example... But I still believe the restrictions
should be in DEX/capabilities, not in the model itself. I guess this
has been beaten to death now.

Regards,
Per-Åke

Quoting John Dunford <esukpc15@gotadsl.co.uk>:

> As NKS has often observed a system can only be compliant with a STEP
> standard at its boundary.  You can break whatever rules you like
> "inside"!
> 
> John Dunford,
> Eurostep Limited,
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Per-Åke Ling [mailto:per-ake.ling@eurostep.com] 
> Sent: 28 October 2004 15:44
> To: Les Debenham
> Cc: 'Rob Bodington'; plcs@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [plcs] Global rules in the AP
> 
> 
> I tried but couldn't resist replying...
> 
> Consider the following two cases:
> 
> 1. I want to communicate with system/organisation, and do that by 
> specifying a DEX + whatever RDL data is appropriate. The DEX enforces 
> that all id_ass have organistions. Fine.
> 
> 2. I am building an in-house system by implementing the PLCS model or a
> 
> subset thereof. Since it is in-house for some specific purpose the 
> organisation is implicit and can be added when exporting DEX data. 
> However, if there is a global rule enforcing org, I will have to either
> 
> implement useless stuff or intentionally break the PLCS model for my 
> implementation. Not so good.
> 
> Once again: rules in capabilities/DEXes are good, even a mandated 
> feature. Rules and restrictions in the PLCS model is not a good idea.
> 
> Please consider that there may be future potential users of PLCS with a
> 
> different world-view, we should not exclude them at this point.
> Instead,
> 
> let them come up with a new set of DEXes. Remember that most of the
> PLCS
> 
> stuff right now is defense related, how about power plants (nuclear and
> 
> others), fleets of trucks for transportation, shipping, and more 
> esoteric stuff such as considering insurance policies as items and the 
> individual insurances as individuals. They have to be maintained for 
> decades, after all, and have a complex structure...
> 
> Regards,
> Per-Åke
> 
> Les Debenham wrote:
> > Rob,
> >  
> > The 2 example rules you give are exectly right. I reserve judgement
> on
> > the (many) unspoken global rules that may ensue.
> >  
> > LesD
> > 
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     *From:* Rob Bodington [mailto:rob.bodington@eurostep.com]
> >     *Sent:* 28 October 2004 08:38
> >     *To:* plcs@lists.oasis-open.org
> >     *Subject:* [plcs] Global rules in the AP
> > 
> >     Hi
> > 
> >     One of the issues in the recent debate about NSN and
> identification
> >     was the need for global rules.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     AP239 had several major technical  ballot comments against it
> >     complaining about the lack of global rules.
> > 
> >     This was one of the reasons for Germany initially voting NO.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     One of the ballot comments was about global rules enforcing what
> is
> >     already documented in the mapping tables. This has been resolved.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     The other comment is about the lack of global rules in general.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     We have also had a discussion about the need to have some global
> >     rules in capabilities.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     I agree with Per-Ake, think that we need to be very careful about
> >     adding global rules as they can restrict the use of the AP.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     Having said that, I think that there are a few areas where we
> will
> >     benefit from global rules in the AP as opposed to the 
> > DEXs/capabilities.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     E.g.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     Any identification assignment must have an organization assigned 
> > to it.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     Any product_as_individual, product_as_realised,
> product_as_planned,
> >     part, part_version (note the model has changed!!!) must have at
> >     least one identification assigned to it.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     Note, I am not enforcing any classification or anything, just
> >     enforcing an instantiation template.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     What do people think to having such global rules in the AP as
> >     opposed to the capabilities?
> > 
> >     One reason at least is keeping the bargain on changing the German
> No
> >     vote to a Yes.
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     Are there any other instantiation templates that we want to 
> > enforce?
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     Regards
> >     Rob
> > 
> >     -------------------------------------------   
> >     Rob Bodington
> >     Eurostep Limited
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