RE: [sca-assembly] Discussion Proposed solutions before premature motion and long ammendement chains

["Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>]

We have to be able to efficiently dispose of those resolutions that are approximately ok vs those that the group will not accept no
matter what the wording. When people request changing a particular word for another word at the start of a discussion  its hard to
know if a proposal is acceptable at all. Therefore it is on all of us to express general agreement/disagreement before getting into
nitty gritty wording, and to read and comment on proposals in between meetings.

Martin.

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>From: Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:34 PM
>To: Mike Edwards
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>Subject: Re: [sca-assembly] Discussion Proposed solutions 
>before premature motion and long ammendement chains
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>I agree.  We have to find a way to get through discussions 
>like this more 
>efficiently, or we will never get to a finished spec.
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>    Simon 
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>Mike Edwards/UK/IBM@IBMGB 
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>Tom, 
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>Big +1 from me. 
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>How about you put this forward as a standing rule motion at the next 
>Assembly call. 
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>I think that it is far better to get problems with the wording 
>sorted out 
>before formal motions take place. 
>Motions can be an abysmal and slow way of changing text. 
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>If there is a problem that folk have with the nature of the 
>proposal, that 
>is a different matter.  That is where 
>amendments to formal motions allow for good decisionmaking. 
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>Yours,  Mike.
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>Tom Rutt <tom@coastin.com> 
>16/10/2007 16:45 
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>In discussing the issue 6, a Motion was made to accept the proposed 
>solution, before we had time to
>discuss the wording of the proposal.
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>In many committees, it has been allowed to have wordsmith to a 
>proposed 
>issue resolution before a motion
>to accept is made.
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>This allows easier discussion of the wording changes without 
>going thru 
>a painful chain of ammendments.
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>I suggest that motions should not be made until there has been 
>discussion of the proposed resolution, and
>people have had a chance to voice all their concerns on the 
>proposed text.
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>Tom Rutt
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