Draft Minutes from 2010-05-25 are attached

[Bob Freund <bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com>]

Title: SCA-Assy - 2010-05-25

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OASIS SCA-Assembly TC

25 MAY 2010

Attendees

Present

Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Bryan Aupperle	IBM	Group Member
David Booz	IBM	Group Member
Graham Charters	IBM	Group Member
Simon Holdsworth	IBM	Group Member
Diane Jordan	IBM	Group Member
Peter Niblett	IBM	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Ashok Malhotra	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Jonathan Maron	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Jeff Mischkinsky	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Gilbert Pilz	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Sanjay Patil	SAP AG*	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Eric Johnson	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Danny van der Rijn	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chair

Martin Chapman

Scribe

Eric Wells

Agenda:

1. Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting

18th May: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/201005/msg00046.html

3. Action Items

ACTION On Chairs: To comminicate outcome of Public Review comments to issue raisers

4. TC Administrivia



5. New Issues

NEW ISSUE: ASM_10002 related policy definition should beattached to composite modelhttp://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/201005/msg00048.html

6. 1.1 Test Suite

Status of CD01 rev 5.

7. New documents

7.1 Impl Type Document

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37827/sca-assembly-1.1-impl-type-documentation-wd04.pdf

7.2 Test Suite Adaptation Document

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37813/sca-assembly-1.1-testsuite-adaptation-wd04.pdf



8. 1.2 Specification Open Issues

ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc

Latest discussion (no new posts since last meeting):
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00045.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00023.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00025.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00026.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00038.html

9. AOB

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Contents

Topics

[1]  Opening

[2]  Action Items

[3]  TC Administrivia
None

[4]  New Issues
ASM_10002 related policy definition should beattached to composite modelhttp://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/201005/msg00048.html

[5]  1.1 Test Suite
Status of CD01 rev 5.
MikeE is on vacation - no updates

[6]  New documents

[7]  1.2 Specification Open Issues

[8]  AOB

Table of Resolutions

Table of Action Items

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Action Items

New:

id=2010-05-25-1 status=pending Chairs to setup JIRA for issues relating to Implementation Type Document

id=2010-05-25-2 status=pending Chairs to setup JIRA for issues relating to Test Suite Adaptation Document

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Resolutions

• 2010-05-25-1: Minutes of 20100518 accepted w/o
• 2010-05-25-2: Accept Implementation Type Document linked below as contribution to SCA Assembly TC for consideration w/o
• 2010-05-25-3: Accept Test Suite Adaptation Document linked above as contribition to TC for consideration w/o

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Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Opening

Roll call 14/23 = 61%

Quorate

Agenda - accepted w/o

Approval of minutes 2010-05-18

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/201005/msg00046.html

Resolution: Minutes of 20100518 accepted w/o

Action Items

Chairs: To comminicate outcome of Public Review comments to issue raisers

Still pending

TC Administrivia
None

New Issues
ASM_10002 related policy definition should beattached to composite modelhttp://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/201005/msg00048.html

No issue number assigned

Simon not in conference - no one else feels up to talking to issue

Discussion postponed

1.1 Test Suite
Status of CD01 rev 5.
MikeE is on vacation - no updates

New documents

Impl Type Document

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37827/sca-assembly-1.1-impl-type-documentation-wd04.pdf

Test Suite Adaptation Document

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37813/sca-assembly-1.1-testsuite-adaptation-wd04.pdf

JeffE:

Introduces docs - aim is to ove these to official "CD" status

AnishK:

Do these doc's say what is required and what is optional?

JeffE:

Need to check this

BryanA:

Can we raise issues against these doc's without them being "official"

MartinC:

Normally TC officially accept contributions - but these directly from Editors so standing is questionable

Motion: m=BryanA s=DaveB Accept Implementation Type Document linked below as contribution to SCA Assembly TC for consideration

<MartinC>

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37827/sca-assembly-1.1-impl-type-documentation-wd04.pdf

Resolution: Accept Implementation Type Document linked below as contribution to SCA Assembly TC for consideration w/o

Action: Chairs to setup JIRA for issues relating to Implementation Type Document

Test Suite Adaptation Document

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37813/sca-assembly-1.1-testsuite-adaptation-wd04.pdf

Really need MikeE to talk to this

Motion: m=BryanA s=SanjayP Accept Test Suite Adaptation Document linked above as contribition to TC for consideration

Resolution: Accept Test Suite Adaptation Document linked above as contribition to TC for consideration w/o

Action: Chairs to setup JIRA for issues relating to Test Suite Adaptation Document

Add JeffM to role

EricJ:

Can we now raise issues against these docs?

MartinC:

Yes, JIRA components will be set up

1.2 Specification Open Issues

ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc

Latest discussion (no new posts since last meeting):
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00045.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00023.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00025.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00026.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00038.html

EricJ:

Pointing to global domain channels undermines composability (as discussed on E-mail)

 

...add something to componentType to restore coupling between producers & consumers

 

...if we take away ability to point to domain channel how can we provide an alternate method?

PeterN:

Domain channels were included as a shorthand to avoid lots of promotion

 

...three options

1) Leave as is and note that domain channels "break" composability

2) Remove domain channels and just have to do all the promotion

3) Use "symbolic" channels that can be promoted at each level and then connected at the top (domain) level

AnishK:

Choice of how things are connected should be assemblers decision - not developer

MartinC:

Domain channels useful even though there's issues with composability and promotion

 

...is the use case that promoted producers & consumers are still connected to the SAME channel even when promoted independently

EricJ:

In general yes - but it's difficult do this with topics

EricJ:

Bindings already break composability and doesn't like adding another mechanism that can also break composability

<anish>

I'm not sure I understand why this is described as breaking composability, maybe breaking encapsulation (inside a composite) but not composability

 

...hence not in favour of option 1

EricW:

Not my wording :-}

PeterN:

Looking at Figure 2.4 in current proposal

 

...Have only promoted producers & consumers not connected to channel

 

...if producers & consumers that are connected are promoted then they SHOULD get existing messages on channel but also can get messages from other sources

EricJ:

Need a way of saying producer and consumer are connected AND promoted

PeterN:

We have way of indicating producer & consumer are connected and we can do promotion so what is missing

 

...seems that what is needed is a "shared channel" below the domain level?

Out of time

Discussion to continue on E-mail list

AOB

Straggler role: JeffM

Meeting adjourned 9:01AM PDT

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