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Subject: Raw meeting transcript from TC call Oct 25 2007
[16:58] Room information was updated by: Martin C Dial-in: 1-888-967-2253 +1-650-607-2253 +61-2-8817-6100 +44-118-924-9000 Meeting ID: 877770 Meeting password: SCABPEL (7222735) ===================== Scribe: Dieter Koenig ===================== [17:05] Dieter Koenig: Agenda: [17:05] Dieter Koenig: 1. Roll Call http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php 2. Appointment of scribe Rotating list attached below 3. Agenda bashing 4. Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s) Minutes of Oct 11, 2007 Meeting Minutes of Oct 18, 2007 Meeting 5. Action items review http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/action_items.php a) AI #0010 Mike Edwards - Notify all the OpenCSA TCs about update to the Issues Process for allowing status change from 'Applied' to 'Resolved' b) AI #0011 Najeeb Andrabi - Submit revised proposal for Issue 3 (Correlation disagreement between SCA and BPEL) c) AI #0012 Sanjay Patil Notify OpenCSA MS SC about the TC's desire to define one more namespaces separate from the common namespace 6. Nominate representative to the Inter-SCA Liaison Committee http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200710/msg00078.html 7. Namespace URI and Dereferencing http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200710/msg00079.html 8. New Issues a) Issue 12: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-12 TITLE: Long-Running Request-Response Operations SUBMITTED BY: Dieter Koenig 9. Issue Discussion a) Issue 9 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-9 TITLE: SCA-BPEL XML Namespaces SUBMITTED BY: Dieter Koenig b) Issue 6 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-6 TITLE: Make local partnerLink aliases deterministic SUBMITTED BY: Danny van der Rijn Additional emails: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00039.html c) Issue 5 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-5 TITLE: The algorithm for deciding whether a partnerLink is a service or a reference needs to be deterministic SUBMITTED BY: Danny van der Rijn Additional emails: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00038.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200710/msg00021.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200710/msg00022.html d) Issue 2 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-2 TITLE: Does the spec allow a componentType side file SUBMITTED BY: Anish Karmarkar Email thread: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200710/msg00055.html e) Issue 11 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-11 TITLE: BPEL variable initialization and SCA properties SUBMITTED BY: Mark Ford f) Issue 1 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-1 TITLE: support for BPEL4WS 1.1 SUBMITTED BY: Martin Chapman 10. AOB [17:05] Dieter Koenig: Agenda item 9 b) will be removed [17:05] Dieter Koenig: Agenda is accepted [17:08] Dieter Koenig: 4. Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s) [17:08] Dieter Koenig: postponed to next call [17:08] Dieter Koenig: 5. Action items review [17:12] Dieter Koenig: a) AI #0010 Mike Edwards - Notify all the OpenCSA TCs about update to the Issues Process for allowing status change from 'Applied' to 'Resolved' [17:15] anonymous1 morphed into Khanderao [17:15] Dieter Koenig: Action for the Issues Manager: Insert issue resolution text and date of the meeting to the issue in the issues list [17:16] Dieter Koenig: b) AI #0011 Najeeb Andrabi - Submit revised proposal for Issue 3 (Correlation disagreement between SCA and BPEL) [17:16] Dieter Koenig: discussed next week [17:16] Dieter Koenig: c) AI #0012 Sanjay Patil Notify OpenCSA MS SC about the TC's desire to define one more namespaces separate from the common namespace [17:16] Dieter Koenig: done - AI closed [17:17] Dieter Koenig: 6. Nominate representative to the Inter-SCA Liaison Committee http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200710/msg00078.html [17:19] Dieter Koenig: Motion (Martin Chapman): appoint the two chairs as liaison [17:19] Khanderao: Second...Khanderao [17:20] Dieter Koenig: No disagreement [17:20] Dieter Koenig: Recommended as is - voting deferred [17:21] Dieter Koenig: 7. Namespace URI and Dereferencing http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200710/msg00079.html [17:23] Dieter Koenig: No disagreement with the recommendation [17:23] Dieter Koenig: 8. New Issues a) Issue 12: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-12 TITLE: Long-Running Request-Response Operations SUBMITTED BY: Dieter Koenig [17:23] Dieter Koenig: DK explains [17:25] anonymous morphed into Sanjay [17:29] Dieter Koenig: Alex: open this issue in the assembly tc first? [17:31] Dieter Koenig: Martin: open it here - discuss whether it needs to be opened in the assembly tc as well [17:31] Dieter Koenig: Mike R: is it appropriate to have long-running r-r operations? [17:32] Dieter Koenig: Mike R: recommend two one-way operations instead [17:34] Dieter Koenig: Mike R: in bpel, individual invoke can be mapped to two one-way operations in wsdl - however, we should not do this [17:34] Dieter Koenig: Mike R: only a binding issue [17:35] Dieter Koenig: Martin: bpel has a blocking invoke [17:36] Mark Ford: I agree, request-response is sometimes easier [17:36] Mark Ford: let the bindings handle the timeout issue [17:36] Dieter Koenig: DK: these long-running r-r operations exist today - using async means to execute [17:36] charlton: +1 to Dieter [17:36] Dieter Koenig: No objections [17:37] Dieter Koenig: Issue opened [17:37] charlton: They exist and apply the patterns discussed [17:37] Dieter Koenig: 9. Issue Discussion a) Issue 9 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-9 TITLE: SCA-BPEL XML Namespaces SUBMITTED BY: Dieter Koenig [17:37] Martin C wanted to open issus in ws-bpel tc about a non-blocking invoke, but alex told me not to (Embedded image moved to file: pic03449.gif) [17:37] Dieter Koenig: For SCA-BPEL, we have separate namespaces beyond the common sca namespace [17:38] Dieter Koenig: further discussion deferred [17:38] charlton: (Embedded image moved to file: pic19550.gif) [17:38] Dieter Koenig: c) Issue 5 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-5 TITLE: The algorithm for deciding whether a partnerLink is a service or a reference needs to be deterministic SUBMITTED BY: Danny van der Rijn Additional emails: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200709/msg00038.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200710/msg00021.html http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200710/msg00022.html [17:38] Martin C some excuse about prodcts [17:38] Martin C (Embedded image moved to file: pic16849.gif) [17:38] charlton: me products? we need to consider products? [17:39] Dieter Koenig: (meeting now reached quorum) [17:39] Martin C no but alex insisted [17:39] Dieter Koenig: Revisit earlier recommendations [17:39] charlton we need to talk.... (Embedded image moved to file: pic10208.gif) [17:39] Dieter Koenig: [17:19] Motion (Martin Chapman): appoint the two chairs as liaison [17:40] Dieter Koenig: Second...Khanderao [17:40] Dieter Koenig: No objection - passed [17:40] Dieter Koenig: Namespace URI and Dereferencing http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200710/msg00079.html [17:41] Dieter Koenig: Motion (Martin): adopt the recommendation of the steering cmte [17:41] Dieter Koenig: Second...Khanderao [17:41] Dieter Koenig: No objection - passed [17:43] Dieter Koenig: Revisit issue 12 [17:43] Dieter Koenig: no objection - opened [17:43] Dieter Koenig: back to Issue 9 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-9 TITLE: SCA-BPEL XML Namespaces SUBMITTED BY: Dieter Koenig [17:44] Dieter Koenig: steering committee recommended guidelines for namespace format [17:45] Alex Yiu: Issue 12 is now opened [17:47] Alex Yiu: Martin are you online at Yahoo? (Embedded image moved to file: pic27534.gif) [17:50] Dieter Koenig: Mike R: combine the two namespaces for bpel extensions and the serviceRefList data element into one [17:51] Dieter Koenig: DK: sounds good to me [17:51] Martin C says yes to alex [17:51] Dieter Koenig: So we would have one sca-bpel specific namespace [17:51] Dieter Koenig: note that implementation.bpel still belongs to the common sca namespace [17:53] Dieter Koenig: The one new sca-bpel specific namespace is used for bpel language extensions and the serviceRefList element [17:53] Dieter Koenig: Martin C. agrees [17:54] charlton: +1 [17:54] Dieter Koenig: All sca elements and attributes (like implementation.bpel) remain in the common sca namespace [17:55] Dieter Koenig: BPEL extension elements (in the new namespace): sca (Embedded image moved to file: pic11468.gif)roperty, sca:multiReference, sca:serviceReferenceList [17:56] Dieter Koenig: Motion (Dieter K), Mike R. seconds [17:56] Sanjay: http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bpel/200711 [17:57] Martin C: s/200711/[yyyymm]/ [17:57] Dieter Koenig: Amendment (Martin C): use http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bpel/[yyyymm] for the new namespace [17:58] Dieter Koenig: amendment accepted w/o objections [17:58] Dieter Koenig: amended motion is also accepted without objections [17:58] Dieter Koenig: Last agenda item: AOB [17:58] Dieter Koenig: no AOB [17:58] Dieter Koenig: Meeting adjourned
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