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Subject: raw chat log 10th Dec 2009
anjay: Agenda: 1. Roll Call http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php 2. Appointment of scribe Scribe list attached below 3. Agenda bashing 4. Approval of minutes 2009-11-19 http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200912/msg00003.html 5. Review of Action Items #0109 Mike Edwards - Send instructions for running the Assembly tests #0115 Mike Edwards - Prepare an updated version of the proposal for issue 58 (rewriting section 2.1.1 to remove the nested-if) #0117 Danny - Create a new issue and a proposal for the 0..1 case (related to issue 53) 6. New Issues None 7. Testing MikeE to send instructions for running the tests Here is a rough break up of work for creating the test cases. More volunteers are appreciated. Sanjay - SBL-TA-1001 to SBL-TA-2018 Anish - SBL-TA-3001 to SBL-TA-3026 8. New SCA namespace See http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200912/msg00000.html 9. Concall schedule Suggestion: to cancel the calls on 24th dec and 31st dec 10. Issue Discussion a) Issue 53 - BPEL Process: References with Multiplicity 0..1 - how are they supposed to work? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-53 Issue was resolved on 9/17/09 Latest email discussion - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200911/msg00019.html b) Issue 58 - Need to add Capability to indicate that a PartnerLink should be ignored when introspecting the ComponentType of a BPEL process http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-58 Email discussion: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200909/msg00016.html Awaiting a new proposal from MikeE based on 2009-10-29 concall discussions c) Issue 50 - Need more examples in the specification http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-50 no proposal (deferred) 11. AOB ----------------------------------------- Scribe list: * Kand, Khanderao (Last scribed: 2009-07-23): 6 * van der Rijn, Danny (Last scribed: 9/3/9): 11 * Rowley, Mr Michael (Last scribed: 2009-08-06): 8 * Anish Karmarkar (Last scribed: 2009-10-15): 2 * Chapman, Dr Martin (Last scribed: 10/22/09): 10 * Edwards, Mike (Last scribed: 10/29/09): 1 * Koenig, Mr Dieter (Last scribed: 11/05/09): 13 * Malhotra, Mr Ashok (Last scribed: 2009-11-12): 14 * Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb (Last scribed: 2009-11-19): 13 Martin C: Scribe: Martin C Martin C: Topic: Agenda Martin C: Approved as posted Martin C: Topic: minutes Martin C: 2009-11-19 http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200912/msg00003.html Martin C: Approved w/o Martin C: topic: Action Items Martin C: #0109 Mike Edwards - Send instructions for running the Assembly tests Martin C: Ongoing. Please try by next call! Martin C: #0115 Mike Edwards - Prepare an updated version of the proposal for issue 58 (rewriting section 2.1.1 to remove the nested-if) Martin C: ongoing Martin C: #0117 Danny - Create a new issue and a proposal for the 0..1 case (related to issue 53) Martin C: ongoing Martin C: Topic: new issues Martin C: none Martin C: topic: testing Martin C: Awaiting AI #0109 Martin C: topic: SCA Namespace Martin C: Mike E informs the TC that the Assembly has revised its namespace. Mike Edwards: New namespace: Mike Edwards: xmlns:sca="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200912"; Martin C: Mike E aks whether any other updates are required from the SCA BPEL TC. Mike Edwards: New XSD files: Mike Edwards: http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/sca-assembly/SCA_XSDS/#_SCA_XSDS_ Martin C: Mike E moves that the TC adopts the new SCA namespace above for the next rev of the spec and xsds. Martin C: 2nd danny Martin C: Passed w/o Martin C: ACTION: Editors to update the SCA BPEL spec to reference the latest namespace/XSD. Martin C: ACTION: Editors to check the SCA BPEL xsd Mike Edwards: http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/sca-assembly/SCA_XSDS/sca-implementation-bpel-1.1-cd03.xsd Martin C: topic: back to AI Martin C: AI #0117 Martin C: Sanjay asks Danny on progress. Danny says action was assigned when he wasnt here. Not sure an issue needs to be raised. Martin C: Mike E: only way to do this currently is to try a partnerlink and if it faults you know it is 0 Martin C: Martin C: need an extension to determine if a PL is valid or not to map to 0..1 Martin C: Danny: the discussion seemed a bit more broad, but if its an extension/xpath then could raise an issue. Martin C: Danny: there may be some other bottom up ambiguities as well Martin C: Issue 53 partially covers some of this case, but is closed, but the new AI is specfic to the 0..1 case Martin C: s/but/so/ Martin C: Danny wil be happy to raise new issues, but not before 2010 Martin C: s/wil/will Martin C: topic: call schedule Martin C: The calls on 24th dec and 31st dec are cancelled. Martin C: next call Jan 7th Martin C: next call Jan 7th Martin C: next call Jan 7th Martin C: topic: Issues Martin C: Issue 53 - BPEL Process: References with Multiplicity 0..1 - how are they supposed to work? Martin C: Purpose of the discussion is to scope the new issue Martin C: Danny: happy to share current thoughts but its only an outline proposal. Martin C: From BPEL all we have are PartnerLinks and the current algorithm. Martin C: 0..1 stems from initialpartnerrole=false Martin C: but the runtime must be able to fill this in providing supplied by assembler Martin C: the problem is when there is no value Martin C: esp if a wire is provided. this has not been said. Martin C: if assembly provides a value the runtime must provide the value. Martin C: this is outside scope of plain old bpel but inscope of a sca bpel runtime. Martin C: will be 0 IFF there is no wire. Martin C: an xpath function may still be required. Martin C: There are two aspects but one issues should be able to cover both angles Martin C: topic: AOB Martin C: Dieter asks about his action item. Martin C: Mike is making an assumption that the next version of SCA BPEL is CD03 Martin C: Dieter has edited cd02 rev 5 Martin C: next calls 17 dec 2009, then 7 jan 2010 Martin C: meeting adjourned.
- <room name="sca-bpel-TC" time="1260460665570" dateTime="2009-12-10T10:57:45.570-05:00"> <comment time="1260460902863" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:01:42.863-05:00" type="a3" who="">anonymous morphed into Najeeb Andrabi</comment> <comment time="1260460936561" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:02:16.561-05:00" type="c1" who="Sanjay">Agenda: 1. Roll Call http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bpel/members/roster.php 2. Appointment of scribe Scribe list attached below 3. Agenda bashing 4. Approval of minutes 2009-11-19 http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200912/msg00003.html 5. Review of Action Items #0109 Mike Edwards - Send instructions for running the Assembly tests #0115 Mike Edwards - Prepare an updated version of the proposal for issue 58 (rewriting section 2.1.1 to remove the nested-if) #0117 Danny - Create a new issue and a proposal for the 0..1 case (related to issue 53) 6. New Issues None 7. Testing MikeE to send instructions for running the tests Here is a rough break up of work for creating the test cases. More volunteers are appreciated. Sanjay - SBL-TA-1001 to SBL-TA-2018 Anish - SBL-TA-3001 to SBL-TA-3026 8. New SCA namespace See http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200912/msg00000.html 9. Concall schedule Suggestion: to cancel the calls on 24th dec and 31st dec 10. Issue Discussion a) Issue 53 - BPEL Process: References with Multiplicity 0..1 - how are they supposed to work? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-53 Issue was resolved on 9/17/09 Latest email discussion - http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200911/msg00019.html b) Issue 58 - Need to add Capability to indicate that a PartnerLink should be ignored when introspecting the ComponentType of a BPEL process http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-58 Email discussion: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200909/msg00016.html Awaiting a new proposal from MikeE based on 2009-10-29 concall discussions c) Issue 50 - Need more examples in the specification http://osoa.org/jira/browse/BPEL-50 no proposal (deferred) 11. AOB ----------------------------------------- Scribe list: * Kand, Khanderao (Last scribed: 2009-07-23): 6 * van der Rijn, Danny (Last scribed: 9/3/9): 11 * Rowley, Mr Michael (Last scribed: 2009-08-06): 8 * Anish Karmarkar (Last scribed: 2009-10-15): 2 * Chapman, Dr Martin (Last scribed: 10/22/09): 10 * Edwards, Mike (Last scribed: 10/29/09): 1 * Koenig, Mr Dieter (Last scribed: 11/05/09): 13 * Malhotra, Mr Ashok (Last scribed: 2009-11-12): 14 * Andrabi, Mr. Najeeb (Last scribed: 2009-11-19): 13</comment> <comment time="1260461106806" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:05:06.806-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Scribe: Martin C</comment> <comment time="1260461112915" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:05:12.915-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Topic: Agenda</comment> <comment time="1260461159061" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:05:59.061-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Approved as posted</comment> <comment time="1260461163948" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:06:03.948-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Topic: minutes</comment> <comment time="1260461175575" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:06:15.575-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">2009-11-19 http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bpel/200912/msg00003.html</comment> <comment time="1260461179641" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:06:19.641-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Approved w/o</comment> <comment time="1260461188864" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:06:28.864-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">topic: Action Items</comment> <comment time="1260461203956" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:06:43.956-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">#0109 Mike Edwards - Send instructions for running the Assembly tests</comment> <comment time="1260461215132" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:06:55.132-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Ongoing. Please try by next call!</comment> <comment time="1260461231285" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:07:11.285-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">#0115 Mike Edwards - Prepare an updated version of the proposal for issue 58 (rewriting section 2.1.1 to remove the nested-if)</comment> <comment time="1260461273696" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:07:53.696-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">ongoing</comment> <comment time="1260461289228" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:08:09.228-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">#0117 Danny - Create a new issue and a proposal for the 0..1 case (related to issue 53)</comment> <comment time="1260461347452" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:09:07.452-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">ongoing</comment> <comment time="1260461366489" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:09:26.489-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Topic: new issues</comment> <comment time="1260461368472" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:09:28.472-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">none</comment> <comment time="1260461374190" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:09:34.190-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">topic: testing</comment> <comment time="1260461415980" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:10:15.980-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Awaiting AI #0109</comment> <comment time="1260461486071" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:11:26.071-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">topic: SCA Namespace</comment> <comment time="1260461513911" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:11:53.911-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Mike E informs the TC that the Assembly has revised its namespace.</comment> <comment time="1260461570603" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:12:50.603-05:00" type="c1" who="Mike Edwards">New namespace:</comment> <comment time="1260461572716" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:12:52.716-05:00" type="c1" who="Mike Edwards">xmlns:sca="http://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/opencsa/sca/200912";</comment> <comment time="1260461682564" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:14:42.564-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Mike E aks whether any other updates are required from the SCA BPEL TC.</comment> <comment time="1260461698046" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:14:58.046-05:00" type="c1" who="Mike Edwards">New XSD files:</comment> <comment time="1260461698947" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:14:58.947-05:00" type="c1" who="Mike Edwards">http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/sca-assembly/SCA_XSDS/#_SCA_XSDS_</comment> <comment time="1260461769459" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:16:09.459-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Mike E moves that the TC adopts the new SCA namespace above for the next rev of the spec and xsds.</comment> <comment time="1260461773054" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:16:13.054-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">2nd danny</comment> <comment time="1260461781716" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:16:21.716-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Passed w/o</comment> <comment time="1260461795636" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:16:35.636-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">ACTION: Editors to update the SCA BPEL spec to reference the latest namespace/XSD.</comment> <comment time="1260461828494" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:17:08.494-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">ACTION: Editors to check the SCA BPEL xsd</comment> <comment time="1260461842093" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:17:22.093-05:00" type="c1" who="Mike Edwards">http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/sca-assembly/SCA_XSDS/sca-implementation-bpel-1.1-cd03.xsd</comment> <comment time="1260462162264" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:22:42.264-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">topic: back to AI</comment> <comment time="1260462186308" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:23:06.308-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">AI #0117</comment> <comment time="1260462247346" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:24:07.346-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Sanjay asks Danny on progress. Danny says action was assigned when he wasnt here. Not sure an issue needs to be raised.</comment> <comment time="1260462307102" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:25:07.102-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Martin C</comment> <comment time="1260462421817" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:27:01.817-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Mike E: only way to do this currently is to try a partnerlink and if it faults you know it is 0</comment> <comment time="1260462455906" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:27:35.906-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Martin C: need an extension to determine if a PL is valid or not to map to 0..1</comment> <comment time="1260462523773" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:28:43.773-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Danny: the discussion seemed a bit more broad, but if its an extension/xpath then could raise an issue.</comment> <comment time="1260462530583" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:28:50.583-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: -empty-</comment> <comment time="1260462555389" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:29:15.389-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Danny: there may be some other bottom up ambiguities as well</comment> <comment time="1260462604830" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:30:04.830-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Martin C</comment> <comment time="1260462685696" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:31:25.696-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Issue 53 partially covers some of this case, but is closed, but the new AI is specfic to the 0..1 case</comment> <comment time="1260462687759" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:31:27.759-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: -empty-</comment> <comment time="1260462699466" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:31:39.466-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">s/but/so/</comment> <comment time="1260462724993" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:32:04.993-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Danny wil be happy to raise new issues, but not before 2010</comment> <comment time="1260462734376" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:32:14.376-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">s/wil/will</comment> <comment time="1260462772020" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:32:52.020-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">topic: call schedule</comment> <comment time="1260462821211" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:33:41.211-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">The calls on 24th dec and 31st dec are cancelled.</comment> <comment time="1260462827009" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:33:47.009-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">next call Jan 7th</comment> <comment time="1260462845466" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:34:05.466-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">topic: Issues</comment> <comment time="1260462847258" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:34:07.258-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Martin C</comment> <comment time="1260462898853" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:34:58.853-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: -empty-</comment> <comment time="1260462901797" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:35:01.797-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Issue 53 - BPEL Process: References with Multiplicity 0..1 - how are they supposed to work?</comment> <comment time="1260462924890" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:35:24.890-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Purpose of the discussion is to scope the new issue</comment> <comment time="1260463104438" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:38:24.438-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Danny: happy to share current thoughts but its only an outline proposal.</comment> <comment time="1260463167279" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:39:27.279-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">From BPEL all we have are PartnerLinks and the current algorithm.</comment> <comment time="1260463265219" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:41:05.219-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">0..1 stems from initialpartnerrole=false</comment> <comment time="1260463298698" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:41:38.698-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">but the runtime must be able to fill this in providing supplied by assembler</comment> <comment time="1260463390389" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:43:10.389-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">the problem is when there is no value</comment> <comment time="1260463406222" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:43:26.222-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">esp if a wire is provided. this has not been said.</comment> <comment time="1260463432881" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:43:52.881-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">if assembly provides a value the runtime must provide the value.</comment> <comment time="1260463463394" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:44:23.394-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">this is outside scope of plain old bpel but inscope of a sca bpel runtime.</comment> <comment time="1260463500288" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:45:00.288-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">will be 0 IFF there is no wire.</comment> <comment time="1260463568065" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:46:08.065-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">an xpath function may still be required.</comment> <comment time="1260463620450" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:47:00.450-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">There are two aspects but one issues should be able to cover both angles</comment> <comment time="1260463744338" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:49:04.338-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">topic: AOB</comment> <comment time="1260463787350" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:49:47.350-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Dieter asks about his action item.</comment> <comment time="1260463807860" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:50:07.860-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Mike is making an assumption that the next version of SCA BPEL is CD03</comment> <comment time="1260463839555" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:50:39.555-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">Dieter has edited cd02 rev 5</comment> <comment time="1260463889687" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:51:29.687-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">next calls 17 dec 2009, then 7 jan 2010</comment> <comment time="1260463904489" dateTime="2009-12-10T11:51:44.489-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">meeting adjourned.</comment> </room>
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