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Subject: Re: [sca-j] An appeal against TC Admin decision on Java package names
Simon,
I would like to join this appeal.
Vamsi
Simon Nash
<oasis@cjnash.com
> To
David Booz <booz@us.ibm.com>
12/12/2008 04:46 cc
mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com,
martin.chapman@oracle.com,
mcombellack@avaya.com,
Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com,
jim.marino@gmail.com,
michael.rowley@activevos.com,
ashok.malhotra@oracle.com,
mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com,
aupperle@us.ibm.com,
psimha@tibco.com,
sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject
Re: [sca-j] An appeal against TC
Admin decision on Java package
names
Dave,
Here is a suggested reply to Eduardo's email. The first paragraph
is written as from me. I'm happy to send this to Eduardo to maintain
continuity from the original suspended appeal. I'm also happy for you
to send it (with the first paragraph suitably reworded) if you prefer.
To all individuals named on copy: Please send any comments. If you no
longer wish to be part of this appeal, please let me and Dave know.
To other sca-j TC members: If anyone else wishes to join this appeal,
or if you have any comments, please let me and Dave know.
Simon
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To: Eduardo Gutentag
cc: mbgl@us.ibm.com
booz@us.ibm.com
martin.chapman@oracle.com
mcombellack@avaya.com
Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com
jim.marino@gmail.com
michael.rowley@activevos.com
ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
aupperle@us.ibm.com
psimha@tibco.com
mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
tc-admin@oasis-open.org
sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org
Dave and I have spoken about whether or not this appeal should be
considered as a new appeal or a continuation of the previous one
that I initiated and agreed to suspend. We have also consulted the
other appellants. It is the wish of the appellants that this appeal
be treated as a continuation/resumption of the previous appeal.
Apologies that our previous email was not clear about this.
Accordingly I am copying this email to all the people who were part
of the previous appeal, as well as three other people (Mike Edwards,
Bryan Aupperle and Pradeep Simha) who wish to add their support for
this appeal. Please advise whether or not it is possible for new
appellants to be added to an appeal that is already in progress.
You are correct that there is relevant history after April 24 which
was inadvertently omitted from the previous email. To summarize, the
interactions so far on the subject have been as follows:
a) Agreement by OASIS TC Admin to use org.osoa as requested by the TC
(ref. [1]).
b) Objection by OASIS TC Admin to org.osoa on various grounds, one of
which was that the osoa.org domain is not owned by OASIS. Decision
by OASIS TC Admin to change from org.osoa to org.oasis_open (ref. [2]).
c) Initiation of appeal against the decision to use org.oasis_open as
the package name prefix (ref. [3]).
d) Discussions between the appellants and OASIS TC Admin on alternative
prefixes, including the issue of whether or not it is important for
the domain to be owned by OASIS (ref. [4]).
e) Agreement to suspend the appeal until completion of these discussions
(ref. [5]).
f) sca-j TC decision to support the use of the package prefix
org.oasisopen,
assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS (ref. [6]).
g) OASIS TC Admin acknowledges this and passes it on to the OASIS IT
department (ref. [7]).
h) Decision from OASIS TC Admin to require the use of org.oasisopen
without OASIS acquiring the oasisopen.org domain (ref. [8]).
i) Note from Dave Booz reopening the appeal (ref. [9]).
The appeal is reopened on the following grounds:
Technical:
1. Contradictory OASIS TC Admin positions on the need for domain ownership
between a) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject
org.osoa,
d) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject org.oasis, and
h)
in which lack of domain ownership was stated to not be an issue. A
clear
and consistent OASIS position on domain ownership that follows Java
conventions and industry best practice is needed.
2. Using a package prefix without owning the corresponding domain does not
follow Java conventions and industry best practice. Section 7.7 of the
Java Language Specification says: "You form a unique package name by
first
having (or belonging to an organization that has) an Internet domain
name,
such as sun.com. You then reverse this name, component by component,
to obtain, in this example, com.sun, and use this as a prefix for your
package names, using a convention developed within your organization
to further administer package names."
Procedural:
3. The earlier appeal was suspended pending completion of discussions
between OASIS TC Admin and the sca-j TC, but OASIS TC Admin did not
complete those discussions. Instead OASIS TC Admin issued a new
decision h) that they knew to be contrary to the TC's position as
expressed in f), and did not engage in any consultation or discussion
with the TC before issuing that decision.
Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Michael Rowley Active Endpoints OASIS SCA BPEL TC Voting Member
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
[1]
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
[2]
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
[3]
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html
[4]
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html
[5] Simon Nash email to Eduardo Gutentag, 5/8/08
[6]
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/28356/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202008-05-15.doc
[7]
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00043.html
[8]
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html
[9]
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00096.html
Eduardo Gutentag wrote:
> To the SCA-J TC:
>
> In accordance with Section 4.2 of the TC Process Document
> (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#appeals),
> and before the deadline stipulated in that Section, I hereby
> acknowledge receipt of the appeal included below, and I inform the
> TC of such appeal.
>
> To the appellants:
>
> I must also express deep confusion, as the "detail" section of
> the Procedural part of the appeal stops short (April 24) without
> acknowledging the fact that there was a long thread after that date,
> which included the initiation of a formal appeal (May 2) and its
> subsequent suspension (may 8)[1]. Apart from the fact that this does
> not meet in its entirety the requirement that "Previous efforts to
> resolve the objection(s) and the outcome of each shall be noted.",
> I am not clear as to the relationship between the current appeal and
> the previous one. The previous one was suspended, not terminated,
> so one could think of this as a request to restart it; however,
> since the list of appellants in this case is not completely the same
> as the list of appellants in the previous case, I am assuming, until
> and unless I am told I am wrong, that this is a different appeal.
>
> I am enclosing a couple of relevant email messages, in whose cc
> list many of the current appellants (but not all) were included.
>
> Please be aware that until such time as the appeal may be resolved
> in favor of the appellants, the decisions taken by TC Administration
> are valid and binding.
>
> [1] Because of the very short interval between initiation and
> suspension, there was no opportunity for me at that time to inform
> either the TC or the Board of such an appeal.
>
>
> On 11/26/2008 06:50 AM, David Booz wrote:
>> Please excuse the second email. There is a typo in the (Proposed
>> Resolution)
>>
>> Any references to openoasis.org are incorrect and should be
>> oasisopen.org.
>>
>> Sorry for any confusion.
>>
>> Dave Booz
>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture
>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC
>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger"
>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093
>> e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com
>> ----- Forwarded by David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM on 11/26/2008 09:47 AM
>> -----
>>
>>
>> From:
>> David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM
>>
>> To:
>> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
>>
>> Cc:
>> mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org, sca-j@lists.oasis-open.org,
>> tc-admin@oasis-open.org
>>
>> Date:
>> 11/26/2008 08:10 AM
>>
>> Subject:
>> Appealing TC Admin decision on Java package names
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
>> the decision by TC Admin attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is
>> being submitted by
>> individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process.
>> In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal
>> by a unanimous vote.
>>
>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>
>> TECHNICAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> The proposed package name prefix must be controlled by OASIS.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>
>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from
>> "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by
>> OASIS.
>> 2. The need for OASIS to be able to control the proposed package name
>> prefix of "org.oasisopen".
>>
>> (Proposed Resolution)
>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
>> discussed this and voted [2] not to accept the proposed package name
>> prefix of "org.oasisopen" if it is not controlled by OASIS. If OASIS is
>> unable or unwilling to obtain the use of the "openoasis.org" domain,
>> then the SCA-J TC would rather retain the use of the package name prefix
>> "org.osoa".
>>
>> PROCEDURAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> Part 2 of the decision is a reversal of the earlier decision which
>> occurred without consultation with the SCA-J TC.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> This issue was raised with TC-Admin on March 2 (ref. [3]). TC-Admin
>> sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[4]) On March 10 TC-Admin asked us to
>> hold off from implementing the decision and said might be a couple of
>> questions to be answered (ref. [5]).
>>
>> Simon Nash (chair at the time) replied to TC-Admin on March 10 (ref.
>> [6]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to
>> discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. TC-Admin did not respond. On
>> March 25, Simon sent another email (ref. [7]) repeating my invitation to
>> discuss this with the TC. Again, TC-Admin did not respond.
>>
>> On April 3 TC-Admin sent a response (ref. [8]) with a decision that
>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite two
>> invitations to have this discussion. TC-Admin also indicated that the
>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>
>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
>> stated above.
>>
>> On April 24 Simon sent TC-Admin an email informing her of this (ref.
>> [9]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and
>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. TC-Admin
>> acknowledged the email (ref. [10]) and indicate a reply in a few days.
>> TC-Admin's formal response came on Nov 5 (ref. [1]).
>>
>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
>> through dialogue,
>> despite all efforts to do this. The acceptable resolutions are
>> summarized in the (Proposed Resolution) above.
>>
>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>
>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>> Member
>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
Member
>> Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
Member
>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
Member
>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
Member
>> Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>> Member
>> Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>> Member
>> Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>> Member
>>
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html
>>
>> [2]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/30068/SCA%20Java%20Face%20to%20Face%20Minutes%202008-11-11%20to%202008-11-13.doc
>>
>> [3]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
>>
>> [4]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
>>
>> [5]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
>>
>> [6]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
>>
>> [7]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
>>
>> [8]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
>>
>> [9]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html
>>
>> [10]
>>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html
>>
>>
>> Dave Booz
>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture
>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC
>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger"
>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093
>> e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
> From:
> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
> Date:
> Fri, 2 May 2008 17:58:05 +0100
> To:
> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
>
> To:
> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org
> CC:
> mbgl@us.ibm.com, booz@us.ibm.com, martin.chapman@oracle.com,
> mcombellack@avaya.com, Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, jmarino@bea.com,
> mrowley@bea.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org
>
>
>
> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is
> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by
> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its
> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>
> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>
> TECHNICAL
>
> (Summary)
>
> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming
> conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by
> Java developers.
>
> (Detail)
>
> The decision comes in two parts.
>
> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from
> "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by
OASIS.
> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by
> the SCA-J TC.
>
> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix
> of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>
> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package
> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>
> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type.
> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot
> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these
> APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both
> of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>
> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package
> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names
> in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>
> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition,
> section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce
> an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be
> derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some
> options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being
> suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the
> corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>
> PROCEDURAL
>
> (Summary)
>
> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier
> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite
> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>
> (Detail)
>
> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a
> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from
> implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to
> be answered (ref. [4]).
>
> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS
> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC.
> She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6])
> repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not
> respond.
>
> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that
> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my
> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the
> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
> only be changed by formal appeal.
>
> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
> stated above.
>
> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with
> a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if
> we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the
> email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She
> has not done so.
>
> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>
> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>
> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>
>
> REFERENCES
>
> [1]
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
>
> [2]
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
>
> [3]
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
>
> [4]
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
>
> [5]
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
>
> [6]
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
>
> [7]
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html
>
> [8]
>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html
>
>
>
> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
> From:
> Simon Nash <NASH@uk.ibm.com>
> Date:
> Fri, 2 May 2008 20:12:27 +0100
> To:
> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>
> To:
> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
> CC:
> Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com, ashok.malhotra@oracle.com, booz@us.ibm.com,
> eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org, jmarino@bea.com,
> martin.chapman@oracle.com, Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>,
> mbgl@us.ibm.com, mcombellack@avaya.com, mrowley@bea.com
>
>
>
> Mary,
> The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the
> domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen
> despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would OASIS be willing to
> offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to offer one of
> these but not the other.
>
> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently
> unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is
> not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In
> expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of
> the TC.
>
> Simon
>
> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>
>
> *"Mary McRae" <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
> Sent by: Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
>
> 02/05/2008 19:49
> Please respond to
> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>
>
>
>
> To
> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org>
> cc
> <mbgl@us.ibm.com>, <booz@us.ibm.com>, <martin.chapman@oracle.com>,
> <mcombellack@avaya.com>, <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>,
> <jmarino@bea.com>, <mrowley@bea.com>, <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
> Subject
> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been at
> the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and
> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike
> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use of
> the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all agree
> that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit them. I
> asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be acceptable
> and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e. org.oasisopen.csa.
>
> Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this
> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mary
>
> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:NASH@uk.ibm.com] *
> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM*
> To:* eduardo.gutentag@oasis-open.org*
> Cc:* mbgl@us.ibm.com; booz@us.ibm.com; martin.chapman@oracle.com;
> mcombellack@avaya.com; Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com; jmarino@bea.com;
> mrowley@bea.com; ashok.malhotra@oracle.com; mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org*
> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>
>
> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is
> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by
> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its
> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>
> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>
> TECHNICAL
>
> (Summary)
>
> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java naming
> conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be liked by
> Java developers.
>
> (Detail)
>
> The decision comes in two parts.
>
> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from
> "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by
OASIS.
> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by
> the SCA-J TC.
>
> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name prefix
> of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>
> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package
> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>
> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type.
> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot
> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing these
> APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be entered. Both
> of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>
> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package
> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package names
> in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>
> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third Edition,
> section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to produce
> an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be
> derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some
> options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being
> suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the
> corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>
> PROCEDURAL
>
> (Summary)
>
> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier
> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite
> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>
> (Detail)
>
> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a
> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off from
> implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of questions to
> be answered (ref. [4]).
>
> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS
> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC.
> She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6])
> repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she did not
> respond.
>
> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that
> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my
> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the
> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
> only be changed by formal appeal.
>
> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
> stated above.
>
> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]), with
> a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and asking if
> we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She acknowledged the
> email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few days. She
> has not done so.
>
> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>
> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>
> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>
>
> REFERENCES
>
> [1]
>
_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_
>
> [2]
>
_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_
>
> [3]
>
_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_
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> [4]
>
_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_
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> [5]
>
_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_
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> [6]
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_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_
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> [7]
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_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_
>
> [8]
>
_http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_
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>
>
> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
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