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Subject: Raw log of 2009-04-20 telcon
Mark Combellack: - Roll Call http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j - Appointment of scribe. List attached below - Agenda bashing - Approval of minutes for 17th April 2009 http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32142/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-04-17.doc 0. Administration - Issue Status: Open: 17 - New dial in numbers for the conference calls. See http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00035.html 1. Review action items: Action Items that I believe are done: 2009-04-06-01: Simon to create formal proposal for JAVA-98 based on 2009-04-06 update as modified due to implementation intents on methods. Action Items that I believe are still to be done: 2008-11-11-22: Mark to draw up some wording for Direction 1 (as discussed at the November F2F) for JAVA-62 2008-11-11-23: Mark (and others prepared to help) to investigate the WorkManager JEE spec and determine its applicability to SCA for JAVA-62 2. Continuation of JAVA-148 from last call a. JAVA-148: Java CAA missing full definition of annotations applying to Java Interfaces http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-148 Updated proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00034.html 3. List A Issues - Must be resolved before Public Review None 4. Blocked List A Issues - Must be resolved before Public Review waiting for updates/proposals None 5. List B Issues - Nice to resolve before Public Review a. JAVA-98: Can annotations be inherited http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-98 Updated proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00066.html Updated Java C&I: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32150/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-wd07%2Bissue98%2BpolicySets.pdf Updated Java CAA: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32149/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd02-rev4%2Bissue98%2BPolicySets.pdf b. JAVA-152: Java C&I should have had corresponding changes in JAVA-134 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-152 Proposal in Jira c. JAVA-153: Java CI should have corresponding changes in JAVA-125 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-153 Proposal in Jira 6. Blocked List B Issues - Nice to resolve before Public Review waiting for updates/proposals None 7. New Issues (Requires 2/3s of Voting members to open) None 8. List C "10 Minute" Issues a. JAVA-1: Accessing SCA Services from non-SCA component code http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-1 Latest discussions: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00031.html Updated Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200903/msg00227.html Updated Proposal (PDF): http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/31871/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd02-rev3%20Issue1%20rev%204.pdf 9. Other List C Issues a. JAVA-139: Default value for SCA property is not supported for java implementations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-139 Outline of proposal in Jira b. JAVA-127: Long running request/response operations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-127 Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200812/msg00089.html c. JAVA-143: Guidelines for dealing with cyclic references refers to an impossible situation http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-143 Proposal in Jira d. JAVA-131: @Callback injection could be NULL (expanded to include refs, property and re-injection and callback http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-131 Proposed direction for resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00002.html 10. AOB --------------------------------------------------------------- Rotating scribe list: Ron Barack SAP AG (3) Michael Beisiegel IBM (3) Sanjay Patil SAP AG (3) Jim Marino Individual (4) Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc. (5) Vamsavardhana Chillakuru IBM (3) Plamen Pavlov SAP AG (2) Meeraj Kunnumpurath Individual (3) Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation (8 ) Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation (10) Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation (9) Yang Lei (6) Graham Charters IBM (2) Simon Nash Individual (7) Bryan Aupperle IBM (10) Mike Edwards IBM (9) Dave Booz: scribe: Dave Booz Dave Booz: topic: agenda bashing Please change your name from 'anonymous' using the Settings button Dave Booz: will proceedo with agenda as posted anish: scribe: anish anish: Topic: approval of minutes anish: - Approval of minutes for 17th April 2009 http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32142/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202009-04-17.doc anish: minutes are approved anish: Topic: admin anish: 17 issues anish: new dialin anish: Topic: AI reivew anish: Simon's action on 98 is done anish: rest are pending anish: Topic: Java-148 anish: continuation from the last call anish: MikeE not on the call anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-148 Updated proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00034.html anish: Simon: wanted to double check if the words in section 12 (conformance) match up with the proposal anish: ... they do match up and don't have a concern anish: Motion: m:Simon s:Dave Resolve issue 148 with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00034.html anish: motion approved w/0 anish: Resolution: Java-148 is resolved with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00034.html anish: Topic: Java-98 anish: a. JAVA-98: Can annotations be inherited (Limit discussion to approx 30 minutes) http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-98 Proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00060.html Updated Java C&I: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32141/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-wd07%2Bissue98.pdf Updated Java CAA: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32140/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd02-rev4%2Bissue98.pdf anish: Simon: changed needed to CAA and C&I, although the issue was raised against CAA. Most of the chnages are in CAA. anish: ... multiple versions sent as I added more things that needed to be added (eg policysets) Mark Combellack: > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/32149/sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-cd02-rev4%20issue98%20PolicySets.pdf > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/32150/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-wd07%20issue98%20policySets.pdf anish: (the above links are the ones to the latest proposal) anish: Simon walks through the CAA proposal anish: one reference updated anish: next change in section 8 anish: to mention the recommendation of JSR 250 that we do not follow anish: Only place where 250 is mentioned anish: Simon: sentence is general worded. Need to make it specific to policy. anish: Simon: one change I would like to proposal is to make it policy-specific anish: Next set of changes in section 8.3 anish: Simon: Dave has suggested changes which make sense to me. Most of them editorial. Dave Booz: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00080.html anish: Section 8.3.1: examples that were in previous version of the proposal anish: Section 8.5: about policyset annotation. We had not discussed this before anish: Simon: no hierarchy for policySets, so much simpler anish: ... merging is very simple anish: Dave: looks fine to me anish: Simon: will make the wording changes as suggested in Dave's email anish: Simon: removed @Inherited in various subsections in section 10 anish: Simon: did not do the cross-refing the tags in the appendix, as I don't know how to anish: Discussion moves to the C&I spec changes anish: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/32150/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-wd07%20issue98%20policySets.pdf anish: Simon walks through the changes anish: 1st set of changes in section 8 anish: Next set of changes in section 8.1 anish: Anish: is it reasonable to say that if you use intent/policyset annotations for a service than you must also use @Service anish: Discussion on words in line 469 that talk about implementation class and not the interface anish: Simon: the existing words are correct, because if there is an interface then that gets reflected by the <interface/> element anish: Dave: need to reference CAA for the interface anish: Simon: line 475 and line 410 will have a crossref to CAA for intents (this will have to be added) anish: Simon: issue of what happens if the impl class does not have @Service buy has intent annotation. Three choices: anish: a) ignore it anish: b) error anish: c) allow it anish: Simon: same applies to reference anish: ... preference to allow explicit intents on implicit references anish: Anish: ignore is not a good option anish: no one speaks for disallowing it anish: Simon: we should include examples from "D" part of the previous proposal in section 8.3 anish: Simon: will update the proposal and send it out anish: Action: Simon to send an updated proposal for 98 anish: Topic: issue 152 anish: b. JAVA-152: Java C&I should have had corresponding changes in JAVA-134 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-152 Proposal in Jira Dave Booz: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-134 Dave Booz: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/31836/sca-javaci-1.1-spec-wd05.pdf anish: Dave describes the issue and the proposal anish: Simon: i send a response to email from Dave about this issue Dave Booz: SImon's updated words: A callback interface can be declared by using the @Callback annotation on the service interface or Java implementation class as described in the Java Common Annotations and API Specification [JAVACAA]. anish: Simon: issue 134 was for @Remotable and @Callback, the changes proposed fix the problem with @Callback but not @Remotable Dave Booz: lines 47-48: A service whose interface is defined by a Java class (as opposed to a Java interface) is not 48 remotable. anish: Simon: need to delete sentence that starts on line 47 Dave Booz: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00077.html anish: Motion: m:Dave s:Simon move to resolve 152 with Simon's words at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00077.html anish: motion approved w/o anish: Resolution: issue 152 resolved with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200904/msg00077.html anish: Topic: Issue 153 anish: c. JAVA-153: Java CI should have corresponding changes in JAVA-125 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-153 Proposal in Jira Dave Booz: @Remotable annotation or @remotable on <interface.java/> anish: Dave walks through the issue and proposal anish: for the proposal: s/@remotable/remotable attribute/ anish: Simon: for the changes on lines 164-169, it requires the knowledge of the component to introspect the CT, which is not possible Mark Combellack: Time warning: About 5 minutes left till end of call anish: Anish: this means the 1st changes on lines 144-146 is also not right anish: Anish: this raises concerns about resolution of issue 125 anish: Simon: if we had CT sidefiles then this could work, but we don't have sidefiles anish: Dave: this is now bigger than 153 anish: Anish: need to reopen 125 anish: Meeting adjourned
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