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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both?
Are people still using mutt, pine and elm to read email? -matt -----Original Message----- From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:59 AM To: Bashioum, Christopher D; Chiusano Joseph; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both? Please send text only, or do whatever is required so that I don't have to turn on html in my email client, because I will certainly forget to turn it off again before writing to other listservs where recipients get bent out of joint whenever they encounter this stuff. Of course, I also can't read whatever the message was supposed to be. Rex At 11:23 AM -0500 12/8/05, Bashioum, Christopher D wrote: > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: > McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca [mailto:McGregor.Wesley@tbs-sct.gc.ca] > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: 06 December > 2005 19:09 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: > klaskey@mitre.org; marchadr@wellsfargo.com; dnickull@adobe.com; > goran.zugic@semantion.com; mattm@adobe.com; tmathews@lmi.org; > sallystamand@yahoo.com; frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: > soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: > [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with Ken. > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The service > consumer is the key concept that indicates the entity that invoked the > service in the first place. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A >brokering service > or service actor is merely a middle-man. </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wes > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original > Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Ken Laskey > [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: December 6, > 2005 2:02 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: > marchadr@wellsfargo.com; dnickull@adobe.com; goran.zugic@semantion.com; > mattm@adobe.com; tmathews@lmi.org; sallystamand@yahoo.com; > frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: > soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: > [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I could >argue that > a broker consumes the service on someone else's behalf. In reality, > service actor seems too nondescriptive because either the consumer or the > provider can be thought of as an actor. </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At 01:45 PM > 12/6/2005, marchadr@wellsfargo.com wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hate to stir > things up a bit, but can you change the service consumer term to service > actor? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since in the case > of brokering the service actor is not consuming but brokering a request to > another service. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The >broker service > can be a service actor upon the service but might not really consume any > part of the service since it is a pass through. </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But I >guess this is > a matter of opinion. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Dan > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original > Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: >Ken Laskey [ > mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Tuesday, > December 06, 2005 10:39 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: >Duane Nickull; > Goran Zugic; Matt MacKenzie; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand; > frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: > soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: > [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think >we need to > add some words to the RM to capture this discussion. We >cover part of > this in the beginning of Section 3.2.1 but need to be more specific that: > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- a service > consumer can be a human or a software agent; </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- a service > consumer can invoke any number of services (including a single service in > isolation) and can chain the output of some services to act as >the input of > others; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- from the > perspective of a given service, the occurrence of such chaining >would not be > visible; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- the service > consumer can be implementing a business process; </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- the >specific of a > business process do not change the basic SOA concepts as described in the > RM; however, the specific architecture that one designs and >implements will > reflect the business process and make use of specific service >instances that > corresponds to the real world effects that the business process hopes to > realize. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now >that said, and > in full appreciation that we agreed earlier that mechanisms which combine > services (e.g. choreography, orchestration) are out of scope, is it > sufficient for words, such as those suggested above, to be included > somewhere within the current discussion or do we need to pull it >out into a > subsection on its own? As an example of the former, we tried to deal > with loose-coupling and coarse-grained with words at the end of >Section 2.1. > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At 12:23 PM > 12/6/2005, Duane Nickull wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran: > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I >slightly disagree > with your assertions, probably based on semantics. For a service to > "participate" in a process, it would have to be aware of the >process (which > many will not be). A better way to depict this may be to state > "services may be aggregated and used by processes" and "processes may be > represented/exposed as services". There are really no limits to the > number of layers that can be present. Attached is a UML >CVD depicting > such. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A key >rationale of > why process is not part of SOA is that services cannot see process. > They are not aware of whether they are being called as part of a >process vs. > as an individual service. If the "s" part of SOA cannot see or touch > that, it cannot be part of the RM. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The >chicken and egg > discussion you bring forward is a requirement for those building >services to > strongly consider the business process when designing their service > infrastructure. Accordingly, it is not really part of the RM for SOA > yet I agree that it is a very important consideration. </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For your messages > to get to the list, you must join as a "applicant" rather than >an "observer" > as per OASIS process. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duane > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; 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mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: >Goran Zugic [ > mailto:goran.zugic@semantion.com] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, > December 05, 2005 8:47 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: >Duane Nickull; > Matt MacKenzie; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand; frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: > soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: Re: > [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duane, > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for the > response. Yes I would like to see the PPT. I hope you do not mind if I add > few more thoughts related to services and business processes: > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Services > participate in a business process to add some value to it. They can be > governed and evaluated using business process metrics. One service can > participate in many business processes and provide value to each of them > according to the context within that process. As far as SOA is >concerned it > is as important to know what the service does, how it can be discovered, > contacted, invoked, executed, etc. as it is to be able to use it >within the > process context, measure it and assess its value from the business process > requirements point of view. SOA needs to avoid typical new technology > chicken and egg syndrome, e.g. companies not producing services because > there are no service friendly process definitions to use them >and not having > SOA friendly process definitions because there are no services to use. > Services do not have to know if they will be involved in the process > upfront, they will be contacted on demand according to the process script > that is in effect, and they will be contacted, checked if >available, passed > the arguments, collected the response and according to their >procedure left > alone to wait for another call. The process execution engine however needs > to invoke the service according to both service specific >information and the > process specific information. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having just the > service specific information in a model covers only one part of >the picture > and I think it is fine as long as that model is a pure service model. > However I find it difficult to understand that the SOA RM TC >model is a SOA > reference model when it does not include other concepts of SOA. > Unfortunately it seems that we cannot get to the point where we >could agree > on a minimal set of supported SOA concepts by a model to be the <st1:place > w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">SOA</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType > w:st="on">RM.</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> We do not have to and I do > not want to argue with you or anybody else in SOA RM TC. I am >just trying to > see how our works can fit together in a most efficient way. We obviously > need more time to better understand each others thoughts and ideas and I > strongly believe that a constructive respectable discussion is helpful for > everybody. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By the >way, do you > know what I am supposed to do to get my messages to the SOA RM list. In > spite of that I am the SOA RM TC observer I get a faliure notice >whenever I > send a note to the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName > w:st="on">SOA</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType > w:st="on">RM.</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original > Message ----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: >Duane Nickull > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: >Matt MacKenzie > ; goran.zugic@semantion.com ; MATHEWS, Tim ; Sally St. Amand ; > frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: > soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, > December 05, 2005 5:02 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: > [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran: > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The service layer > enables the process layer over top of it, however during runtime, services > do not know if they are part of a process or being called individually (it > would generally be a bad idea to try to maintain the overall state of a > process within each service, although it could be done). For maximum > repurposing of services, it would be better to have the service >as a simple > slave to the processes that may use it. </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Accordingly, we > made a decision that BPM, Orchestration, choreography is not a >core part of > the RM for SOA. We generally seem to agree that many SOA > implementations will include a layer of BPM over top. We are only > addressing the SOA model, not the model for the underlying or overarching > layers. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a PPT that > explains this in more detail if you are interested. </SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duane > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: >Arial">*******************************</SPAN></FONT><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Adobe Systems, > Inc. - </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy><SPAN > style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: >Arial">http://www.adobe.com</SPAN></FONT><FONT > face=Arial color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN lang=FR-CA > style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; >mso-ansi-language: FR-CA">Vice > Chair - UN/CEFACT </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy > size=2><SPAN lang=FR-CA > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; >mso-ansi-language: FR-CA">http://www.uncefact.org/ > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN lang=FR-CA > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext; >mso-ansi-language: FR-CA"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chair - OASIS SOA > Reference Model Technical Committee </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Personal Blog - > http://technoracle.blogspot.com/ </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: >Arial">******************************* > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Matt > MacKenzie [ mailto:mattm@adobe.com] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, > December 05, 2005 12:51 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: > goran.zugic@semantion.com; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand; > frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: > soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: > [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Process >orientation > is only one of multiple potential integration with service oriented > architecture. SOA-RM is laying the foundation for durable >architecture > based on the core concept of service orientation. We recognize that > process oriented architecture is a natural fit with service > orientation...but so are things like event orientation. ></SPAN></FONT><FONT > color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-matt > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: > goran.zugic@semantion.com [ mailto:goran.zugic@semantion.com] > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, > December 05, 2005 3:36 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: MATHEWS, Tim; > Matt MacKenzie; Sally St. Amand; frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: > soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: Re: > [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think >that SOA RM > has done good job documenting well-known service related concepts and > defining some new ones. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I do >not see other > details besides service and service-related concept definitions in the > current SOA RM committee draft right now. I look forward to seeing the > completion of the model you are working on with the bottom-up approach. > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: >Arial">Business, business > processes and collaboration aspects of business are important to >address in > the model what is not the case with the current content of the SOA RM > committee draft. By a business process I mean a generic business process > entity which has common components (activities, decisions, etc) and > relationships between them that can be used to model a business process in > any environment regardless of what business we support and technology we > use. I agree with Sally that a link between business processes >and services > should be one of key requirements any SOA reference model should try to > meet. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am >not sure what > SOA with services brings to business when the link between the business > processes and services and overall business process semantics in the SOA > context are not considered to be important aspects in a >SOA-based reference > model. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; >PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium >none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium >none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black >1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT > face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN > style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> > </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN > style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: >windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> > <P class=MsoNormal > style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; >BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; &g