RE: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both?

["Matt MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>]

I avoided HTML and rich text in email for a long time, but am finding it harder these days where 60% of my interaction with co-workers and colleagues is via long email threads.

 

-matt

 

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From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:29 AM
To: Matt MacKenzie
Cc: Rex Brooks; Bashioum, Christopher D; Chiusano Joseph; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both?

 

I know hard core techies who do it to avoid their IT people.  Especially prevalent on people who do computer security work and avoid Exchange.

 

Ken

 

On Dec 9, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Matt MacKenzie wrote:

Are people still using mutt, pine and elm to read email?  

 

-matt

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com] 

Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:59 AM

To: Bashioum, Christopher D; Chiusano Joseph;

soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org

Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both?

 

Please send text only, or do whatever is required so that I don't 

have to turn on html in my email client, because I will certainly 

forget to turn it off again before writing to other listservs where 

recipients get bent out of joint whenever they encounter this stuff. 

Of course, I also can't read whatever the message was supposed to be.

 

Rex

 

At 11:23 AM -0500 12/8/05, Bashioum, Christopher D wrote:

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    goran.zugic@semantion.com; mattm@adobe.com; tmathews@lmi.org;

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RE:

    [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree

with Ken.

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The

service

    consumer is the key concept that indicates the entity that invoked

the

    service in the first place. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A 

brokering service

    or service actor is merely a middle-man. </SPAN></FONT><FONT

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Ken

Laskey

    [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:

December 6,

    2005 2:02 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:

    marchadr@wellsfargo.com; dnickull@adobe.com;

goran.zugic@semantion.com;

    mattm@adobe.com; tmathews@lmi.org; sallystamand@yahoo.com;

    frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:

RE:

    [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I could 

argue that

    a broker consumes the service on someone else's behalf.&nbsp; In

reality,

    service actor seems too nondescriptive because either the consumer

or the

    provider can be thought of as an actor. </SPAN></FONT><FONT

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken

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    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At 01:45

PM

    12/6/2005, marchadr@wellsfargo.com wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;

    </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>

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    style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; 

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hate to

stir

    things up a bit, but can you change the service consumer term to

service

    actor? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since in

the case

    of brokering the service actor is not consuming but brokering a

request to

    another service. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

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    <P class=MsoNormal

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The 

broker service

    can be a service actor upon the service but might not really

consume any

    part of the service since it is a pass through.

</SPAN></FONT><FONT

    color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;

    </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>

    <P class=MsoNormal

    style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; 

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But I 

guess this is

    a matter of opinion. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;

    </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>

    <P class=MsoNormal

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Dan

    </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:

Arial">-----Original

    Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>

    <P class=MsoNormal

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: 

Ken Laskey [

    mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:

Tuesday,

    December 06, 2005 10:39 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

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    <P class=MsoNormal

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    face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN

    style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: 

Duane Nickull;

    Goran Zugic; Matt MacKenzie; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand;

    frank.mccabe@us.fujitsu.com </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN

    style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: 

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    face=Ar