RE: [soa-rm] resolution for 513

["Peter F Brown" <peter@justbrown.net>]

Facets is too loaded a term and used in a very specific manner in much
information modelling, and is not what we are trying to convey here, which
are complete "things" rather than facets of them...

If not "items", then:
- ideas?
- constructs? (too concrete? but then we want it to be less abstract here,
as you say yourself, Ken)
- issues (a bit woolly)
...?

Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] 
Sent: 12 April 2006 02:16
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Subject: RE: [soa-rm] resolution for 513

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Bottom line: replace items but not sure with what.
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Facets?
 
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From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:13 PM
To: peter@justbrown.net
Cc: 'Don Flinn'; 'Duane Nickull'; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: [soa-rm] resolution for 513


Peter,

I didn't like "items" but thought the stuff in Figure 1 were more concrete
than concepts and we refer to concepts a lot, so I didn't want to confuse
things.

Bottom line: replace items but not sure with what.

Ken


On Apr 10, 2006, at 3:51 PM, Peter F Brown wrote:


	Ken:
	OK, but would change "items" to "concepts" maybe

	Peter

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Ken Laskey [mailto:klaskey@mitre.org] 
	Sent: 09 April 2006 02:10
	To: Peter F Brown
	Cc: 'Don Flinn'; 'Duane Nickull'; soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
	Subject: Re: [soa-rm] resolution for 513

	Peter,

	Nice wording but now your last sentence seems to contradict.  May I
suggest

	Being abstract, the Reference Model does not specify particular
standards to
	be used but in Figure 1 (line 61) we do illustrate the relationship
of
	standards to the Reference Model and other related items.

	On Apr 5, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Peter F Brown wrote:


	Concur: I don't think the submitter is picking a fight on this, so I
	would
	propose:

	"The document states that the Reference Model 'is an abstract
	framework that
	enables the development of specific architectures using consistent
	standards
	or specifications supporting that environment' (lines 9-11).
	Standards are
	thus important in developing specific architectures and it is the
	role of
	the Reference Model to provide the vocabulary and common
	understanding of
	SOA that makes that possible. Nonetheless, we do illustrate the
	relationship
	with standards in Figure 1 (line 61)"

	Peter

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Flinn [mailto:flinn@alum.mit.edu] 
	Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:37 PM
	To: Duane Nickull
	Cc: soa-rm@lists.oasis-open.org
	Subject: Re: [soa-rm] resolution for 513

	Duane 

	Doesn't your second sentence contradict your first sentence?

	I don't see your mail re: the concept maps.  Did you send it to the
	list?

	Don 

	On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 08:46 -0700, Duane Nickull wrote:

	Yes - standards are important but the RM is abstract and
	hence not the

	place 

	to mention any specific standards.  We do show the
	relationship between

	the RM 

	and specific standards, protocols and technologies in figure
	1 - line 134.

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