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Subject: RE: TAG TC 2010-04-27 Meeting Minutes
Thanks Dennis for the notes. A couple of minor things to add: 1. keeping track of new action items: AI1-Apr27: [Dennis] to investigate "Compact" RelaxNG for our Markup syntax. (in fact, explained in tutorial: http://www.relaxng.org/compact-tutorial-20030326.html ) AI2-Apr27: [Jacques] to check the JIRA page, possible re-configuration, add Dennis as authorized user. 2. Kelvin mention that we need a more formal referencing from Markup to Model, ( hyperlinks not sufficient) E.g. the terms that are reused: how to know those borrowed from Model from those Belonging only to markup. Cheers, Jacques -----Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 1:49 PM To: 'TAG TC List' Cc: Jacques R. Durand Subject: TAG TC 2010-04-27 Meeting Minutes Test Assertions Guidelines (TAG) TC Teleconference Meeting 27 April 2009 Draft minutes from combined notes of Jacques and Dennis Logistics: ---------- Tuesday 2pm (PDT), 21:00Z, 27 April 2009 Host confcall: Fujitsu US Toll Free: 877-995-3314 US Toll/International: 210-339-1806 Passcode: 9589308 Attendance and Quorum --------------------- MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE 5/5 Voting Members attending: 3/5 requirement for quorum was satisfied * Jacques Durand, Chair (Fujitsu) * Dennis Hamilton, Secretary (Individual) * Frederick Boland (NIST) * Kevin Looney (Oracle) * Paul Rank (Oracle) [*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (5)] MEMBERS ABSENT Dale Moberg (Axway Software) Kyoung_Rog Yi (National IT Industry Promotion Agency, Korea) Patrick Curran (Oracle) Leave of Absence Dmitry Kostovarov, (Oracle) Victor Rudometov, (Oracle) Hyunbo Cho (Pohang University of Science & Technology) [*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (0)] APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS MINUTES The 2010-03-30 minutes were approved without objection http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201004/msg00000.html> APPROVAL OF AGENDA The agenda was taken up without discussion <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201004/msg00002.html> Agenda: 1- Review of comments (both external and internal) on the PR drafts (closing May 9th). - comments from D.Pawson. - comments from D. Hazael-Massieux. - conf clause and getting 3 conforming implementations. 2- administrative matters: - meeting notes approval (Mar 30). - JIRA issue tracker. - next PR. - promoting TAG work: venues, ideas, liaisons to other SDOs - tamelizer update. 1. REVIEW OF COMMENTS RECEIVED SO FAR ON THE PUBLIC REVIEW (ending 2010-05-09) Dennis had created JIRA issues that corresponded to the different public comments (threads) that have arrived so far. Comments were added to the issues to reflect the discussion. TAG-1: Dave Pawson Thread - Where are Semantics for TAML <http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-1> TAG-2: Dave Pawson Thread - Cross-Referencing between TAML and the Model for Semantics <http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-2> Our desire is to have TAML dependent on and conform to the model, and we need to establish the connection better. We discussed how much redundancy there can be, and the notes under TAG-1 apply here too. TAG-3: Dave Pawson - Objection to Multiple inter-dependent documents < http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-3>. Following exchanges with Dave Pawson to see if we had an approach that worked, Pawson expressed his requirement for single, standalone and self-contained documents. We want to make the documents easy to use but we are continuing with the idea of having the three separate documents the Model being the one the others depend on. TAG-4: Dominique Hazael-Massieux - Request for TAML Example and better XML Skeleton Approach < http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-4>. We are interested in responding to this. Dennis will find out what the more-compact/simplified RelaxNG is. Full RNG Schema fragments are not more compact than the XML Schema by much. We need something more palatable for easy reading. TAG-6: Jacques Durand - Need for Improved Model Conformance Clause. This is an internal TAG TC issue. Jacques is concerned that the Model conformance requirements are too stringent and we are excluding conformant uses. The discussion of this revolves around the statements of support that are required for advancement of Committee Specifications to OASIS Standard and also what must be demonstrated in order to make a submission of the OASIS Standard to a different standards body (i.e., a PAS submission to ISO/IEC JTC1 or other ISO venue). The concern that Jacques has is that use of the model in the Guidelines and especially the use by projects such as the OASIS SCA TC can't qualify as conformant uses of the model. (The Guidelines might be a stretch, but an assertions made using the structures employed in the Guidelines might well qualify, if the conformance clause is adjusted to admit such practices.) 2. ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS We had approved the previous minutes. Dennis pointed out that the Chair is the only one currently authorized to use the JIRA workflow process. Other members can introduce issues and comment on issues, but they cannot move them through the workflow. Also, we need to set up "components" and targets (of issues and fixes) in JIRA. Only Jacques can do that. Also, at the moment issues are automatically assigned to Jacques because he is the only one currently authorized to process them. This is JIRA Task TAG-5, < http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TAG-5>. Jacques mentioned that there is a new release of Tamelizer and it should qualify as a conforming implementation. 3. ACTION ITEMS We did not review action items. We seem to be moving toward reviewing JIRA issues as a way to deal with actions, tasks, and issues. FUTURE MEETINGS Dennis thought that May 24 was US Memorial Day. To avoid collision with that week with a May 25 meeting and to allow for action to start soon after the close of public review, the next meeting was scheduled for May 18. [Update: It was confirmed that US Memorial Day is May 31 this year. The Chair has set May 11 and May 25 as the meeting dates in May.] Respectfully submitted, - Dennis Hamilton
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