TAG TC 2011-04-26 Meeting Minutes

Test Assertions Guidelines (TAG) TC Teleconference Meeting

Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 2pm (PDT), 21:00 UTC.

Logistics

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Tuesday 2pm (PDT), 21:00Z, 26 April 2011.

Host confcall: Fujitsu US Toll Free: 877-995-3314 US Toll/International: 210-339-1806

Passcode: 9589308

Attendance and Quorum

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4/5 Voting Members attending satisfied the 3/5 quorum requirement

MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE

* Jaques Durand, Chair (Fujitsu)

* Dennis E. Hamilton (Individual)

* Frederick Boland (NIST)

* Kevin Looney (Oracle)

[*: Voting Member at start and conclusion of meeting (4)

+: Becomes Voting Member at conclusion of meeting (0)

=: Persistent non-Voting Member at start and conclusion of the meeting (0)]

MEMBERS ABSENT

Dale Moberg (Axway Software)

Hyunbo Cho (Individual)

Youngkon Lee (Individual)

Kyoung_Rog Yi (National IT Industry Promotion Agency, Korea)

= Patrick Curran (Oracle)

Dmitry Kostovarov, (Oracle)

* Paul Rank (Oracle)

Victor Rudometov, (Oracle)

[*: Voting member at start and conclusion of the meeting (1)

-: Becomes non-Voting member at conclusion of the meeting (0)

=: Persistent non-Voting Member at start and conclusion of meeting (1)]

1. ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS

1.1 APPROVAL OF PREVIOUS MINUTES

The 2011-03-29 Minutes remain to be approved, < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201104/msg00002.html>.

The 2011-04-12 Meeting had no quorum and there are only notes on attendance, without need for any approval.

The 2011-04-19 Minutes remain to be approved, < http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201105/msg00007.html>.

1.2 APPROVAL OF AGENDA

The agenda was followed:

< http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/tag/201104/msg00007.html>

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2. REVIEW OF COMMITTEE SPECIFICATION CANDIDATES

2.1 TA MODEL

The latest (04-25) draft was reviewed with minor edits based on the April 19 comments:

< http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=41932>.

We noted that the front page will change when we make the Committee Specification Draft (CSD). This will also catch the page footers of all pages.

There are minimal changes from the last discussion on 04-19.

We noted that there is still no comprehensive review of the diff by anyone so far, though the model seems to be fine.

After new versions are provided, an electronic ballot to go to CSD and Public Review will be initiated.

2.2 TA MARKUP

Latest draft (04-25) was reviewed with minor edits based on the April 19 discussion:

< http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=41933>.

Jacques proposes some RelaxNG (Compact) updates to be made, mainly to handle the exclusion of TAML namespace as extensions.

There was also a proposed TAML W3C Schema update based on information from Stephen Green in a backchannel discussion.

An issue came up on whether it makes sense to have the base standard be so extensible. This does not provide a foundation that folks can count on. Some of the requirements around avoiding conflicts are also non-measurable.

We discussed having a strict conformance level that does not contain extensions and a broader conformance level that allows for them.

3. REVIEW OF TA GUIDELINES AS COMMITTEE NOTE (CSD) CANDIDATE Latest draft (April 04).

These need to be brought into alignment with the latest TAML and the use of the common element. The behavior of <common> was discussed for the clarification of how it works and what the precedence between <common> and the test assertions in a set is.

< http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=41787>.

4. ROADMAP AND TIMELINES

We would still like to start the next Public Review in mid-May at the latest. Jacques expressed his standing concern that we want to have this be as good as possible before moving to Candidate Standard for the Model and Markup. We want to be cautious and have looked at everything.

The next call is in two weeks (05-10). We can continue review on the list. Also, a ballot can be started after there are new drafts.

- Dennis E. Hamilton

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