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Subject: RE: [ubl-dev] UBL vs xCBL 4.0 - and SAP implementations
Roger, The SAP-CommerceOne relationship had as its primary practical consequence SAP's introduction of "Professional Buyer." SAP Professional Buyer, like Ariba Technologies' and CommerceOne's own offers, was aimed at "non-production" buying (office supplies, maintenance and consumables, some services) as opposed to "production buying" (e.g., a car company buying parts for assembly). SAP Professional Buyer also supported what it terms OCI (open catalog interface"), Ariba Technologies (and Oracle) term "punchout," and CommerceOne referred to as "Roundtrip." These are primarily aimed at "configurable" goods and services (e.g., Dell or Cisco's online configurators) or goods in very large catalogs (e.g., Barnes and Noble's) or goods with rapidly changing or per transaction pricing (e.g., chemicals and gases). "Professional Buyer" was also somewhat (and perhaps deliberately, given sensitivities of purchasing organizations) misnamed, because it was really aimed at empowering the "requisitioner." Below are links to some SAP information regarding Professional Buyer. https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn?rid=/webcontent/uuid/ff03d072-0501-0010-aa88 -8018506a2ebe https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn?rid=/webcontent/uuid/ff03d072-0501-0010-aa88 -8018506a2ebe Theoretically, cXML or xCBL could be used for production buying, but for the most part the major EDI standards (and industry-specific variants)already occupied that space. Fulton Wilcox Colts Neck Solutions LLC -----Original Message----- From: Roger Bass [mailto:roger@traxian.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 8:52 PM To: ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [ubl-dev] UBL vs xCBL 4.0 - and SAP implementations I'd be interested in comments anyone might have comparing UBL with xCBL 4.0, which I understand to have been "conformed" to UBL from earlier versions of xCBL. (Of course, this list won't need reminding that xCBL was the original basis for UBL), and the pros and cons of each. The context for this is that I'm interested to identify communities of application users have support for one or other XML standard "out of the box". Ariba's cXML standard has a fair amount of traction out there - but has various IP disadvantages. My particular focus here is SAP - which had a historical relationship with CommerceOne, originator of xCBL (via Veo Systems). I'm working this through various folks I know at SAP - but would welcome any additional pointers. In particular, I was interested to note that AT&T's supplier facing website includes a document that talks about their support of xCBL 3.0 and 4.0 http://www.attsuppliers.com/downloads.asp I'm guessing that AT&T's support of this standard comes via some software/mapping component running on their SAP XI infrastructure - perhaps provided by SAP itself. For UBL (or any other XML standard) to become widely adopted by corporates, I suspect its availability (and *very* easy activation with trading partners) would be a requirement. While SAP has been quite engaged with UBL and other standards historically, I'm not aware of any one standard being favored in its "shrink wrap" availability. If anyone is aware of packages that are "ready-to-run" on SAP XI (with hooks to standard procurement / AP processes) for UBL, xCBL or other standards, open source or otherwise, I'd be interested to hear about it. Incidentally - Oracle seems well ahead of SAP here (an observation I've shared with my SAP contacts). Certain of their applications seem to support OAGXML natively, and cXML via a standard mapping service - details of the implementation make it *extremely easy* to connect SMB suppliers. Can discuss more offline if anyone's interested. Regards, Roger Bass Traxian <http://www.traxian.com> Electronic Transactions Made Easy Roger Bass Founder & CEO Traxian 444 de Haro, Suite 210 San Francisco, CA 94107 <http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=444+de+Haro%2C+Suite+210&csz =San+Francisco%2C+CA+94107&country=us> roger@traxian.com <mailto:roger@traxian.com> tel: fax: mobile: (415) 738-1631 C:\Program Files\Plaxo\Users\1594847765\Outlook\content\click_to_call.gif <http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(415)+738-1631&Email =roger@traxian.com> (415) 680-2361 (415) 595-8957 C:\Program Files\Plaxo\Users\1594847765\Outlook\content\click_to_call.gif <http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(415)+595-8957&Email =roger@traxian.com> Add me to your address book... <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=4294968905&v0=3055&k0=1460808141> Want a signature like this? <http://www.plaxo.com/signature>
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