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Subject: Re: [ubl-dev] TaxTotal with several TaxScheme
Hello Pierre,
another important reason for having separated TaxTotals for each TaxScheme
is due to the different nature and use of some kind of taxes.
For instance a withholding tax is a completely different tax compared to
VAT or GST, because such tax is not part of the invoice total due amount.
A withholding tax total must be separated from VAT and is paid to the tax
authority by the debtor/customer on behalf on the creditor/vendor.
The reason for having a 0..n TaxTotal is exaclty to keep separated
different taxes.
The UBL structure could be confusing the implementer, I am sorry for that,
but this is due to the high reusability of UBL entities and their object
oriented nature.
Best regards
Roberto Cisternino
UBL ITalian Localization SubCommittee, co-chair
> Hello Pierre,
>
> As Roberto says, I'd recommend to use a single instance of a TaxTotal
> class per each TaxScheme.
> So of you have different tax schemes, you need different repetitions of
> the TaxTotal class.
>
> The rational for this is that there is no Tax total information in the
> LegalMonetaryTotal class, so you need to use the TaxTotal class for
> summarizing tax information per tax scheme.
>
> Best regards
> Oriol Bausà
>
>
> El 02/03/2012, a las 17:40, BOURBIGOT, Pierre escribió:
>
>> Hello Roberto,
>>
>> I've created an invoice with several different TaxScheme (VAT, GST, ...)
>> on Tradeshift portal. A single TaxTotal is created including all
>> TaxSubTotal (a TaxSubTotal for each TaxScheme).
>> So, following your first answer " Use a TaxTotal for VAT, another for
>> GST, so on...", is it authorized even if it does not match the standard
>> ?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Pierre
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Roberto Cisternino [mailto:roberto@javest.com]
>> Envoyé : vendredi 2 mars 2012 16:56
>> À : Mikkel Hippe Brun
>> Cc : BOURBIGOT, Pierre; ubl-dev@lists.oasis-open.org
>> Objet : Re: [ubl-dev] TaxTotal with several TaxScheme
>>
>> Hello Pierre,
>>
>> the example provided by Tradeshift is correct for the structure and is
>> showing a single TaxScheme, thus possibly a less complex situation
>> compared to your requirements.
>>
>> Anyway please pay attention on the content provided that appears to be
>> uncorrect.
>>
>> The TaxScheme ID provided is "OTH" that according Un/ECE 5153 is:
>>
>> OTH Other taxes
>> Unspecified, miscellaneous tax charges.
>>
>> then they provided "VAT" as the name of the tax scheme which is a bad
>> practice because the 5153 code list contains a specific ID for VAT:
>>
>> VAT Value added tax
>> A tax on domestic or imported goods applied to the value
>> added at each stage in the production/distribution
>> cycle.
>>
>> So a better example for the TaxScheme is the following:
>>
>> <cac:TaxScheme>
>> <cbc:ID schemeAgencyID="6" schemeID="UN/ECE 5153 Subset"
>> schemeVersionID="D08B">VAT</cbc:ID>
>> <cbc:Name>Value Added Tax</cbc:Name>
>> </cac:TaxScheme>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Roberto Cisternino
>>
>> UBL ITalian Localization SubCommittee, co-chair
>>
>>
>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>
>>> Here is how we do it in Tradeshift for our French customers.
>>>
>>> <cac:TaxTotal>
>>> <cbc:TaxAmount currencyID="EUR">1.62</cbc:TaxAmount>
>>> <cac:TaxSubtotal>
>>> <cbc:TaxableAmount currencyID="EUR">6.00</cbc:TaxableAmount>
>>> <cbc:TaxAmount currencyID="EUR">1.18</cbc:TaxAmount>
>>> <cac:TaxCategory>
>>> <cbc:ID schemeAgencyID="6" schemeID="UN/ECE 5305"
>>> schemeVersionID="D08B">S </cbc:ID> <cbc:Percent>19.6</cbc:Percent>
>>> <cac:TaxScheme> <cbc:ID schemeAgencyID="6" schemeID="UN/ECE 5153
>>> Subset" schemeVersionID="
>>> D08B">OTH</cbc:ID>
>>> <cbc:Name>VAT</cbc:Name>
>>> </cac:TaxScheme>
>>> </cac:TaxCategory>
>>> </cac:TaxSubtotal>
>>> <cac:TaxSubtotal>
>>> <cbc:TaxableAmount currencyID="EUR">8.00</cbc:TaxableAmount>
>>> <cbc:TaxAmount currencyID="EUR">0.44</cbc:TaxAmount>
>>> <cac:TaxCategory>
>>> <cbc:ID schemeAgencyID="6" schemeID="UN/ECE 5305"
>>> schemeVersionID="D08B">S </cbc:ID> <cbc:Percent>5.5</cbc:Percent>
>>> <cac:TaxScheme> <cbc:ID schemeAgencyID="6" schemeID="UN/ECE 5153
>>> Subset" schemeVersionID="
>>> D08B">OTH</cbc:ID>
>>> <cbc:Name>VAT</cbc:Name>
>>> </cac:TaxScheme>
>>> </cac:TaxCategory>
>>> </cac:TaxSubtotal>
>>> </cac:TaxTotal>
>>>
>>> You are welcome to register an account for a French company on
>>> http://Tradeshift.com and experiment. You can download the invoice as
>>> UBL and see how we do it.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mikkel
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:38 PM, BOURBIGOT, Pierre
>>> <Pierre.BOURBIGOT@sage.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> I'm working on implementation of Ubl Invoice 2.0 in France. When we
>>>> have several TaxScheme for an InvoiceLine or an Invoice, should I
>>>> create only one TaxTotal with several TaxSubTotal like this :****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxTotal>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxSubtotal>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxCategory>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxScheme>****
>>>>
>>>> <cbc:ID>VAT</cbc:ID>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxScheme>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxCategory>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxSubtotal>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxSubtotal>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxCategory>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxScheme>****
>>>>
>>>> <cbc:ID>AAA</cbc:ID>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxScheme>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxCategory>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxSubtotal>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxTotal>****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> or several TaxTotal ? (one TaxTotal for each tax scheme) like this
>>>> :****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxTotal>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxSubtotal>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxCategory>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxScheme>****
>>>>
>>>> <cbc:ID>VAT</cbc:ID>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxScheme>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxCategory>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxSubtotal>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxTotal>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxTotal>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxSubtotal>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxCategory>****
>>>>
>>>> <cac:TaxScheme>****
>>>>
>>>> <cbc:ID>AAA</cbc:ID>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxScheme>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxCategory>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxSubtotal>****
>>>>
>>>> </cac:TaxTotal>****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your help.****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>> Pierre****
>>>>
>>>> ** **
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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