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Subject: Re: [ubl-psc] AccountingSupplierParty and AccountingCustomerParty
Hi Roberto, I share your vision, and I have had the same issues when dealing with outsourcing, Oriol El 15/12/2009, a las 14:55, Roberto Cisternino escribió: > Hello PSC, > > I am seriously confused by recent clarifications I obtained during the > last PSC meetings about the issuer party of the invoice, the party > legal > entity information and accounting parties (supplier or customer). > > I find there is some confusion (that could be in my mind of course) > but I > hope you can explain me better. > > Here below I provide you my understanding, ideas and requirements > coming > from real world use cases, then you could please try to understand > where > are the mistakes: > > 1) The Accounting Supplier Party and the Accounting Customer Party are > either parties required to be mentioned into an Invoice and > registered as > part of the bookkeeping into accounting records. These are the > parties > involved in to VAT or other taxes. > > Specifically the AccountingSupplierParty is requested (in some > cases) to > provide legal entity information into the Invoice, for example: > > - Registration ID of a national business register (e.g. Chambre of > Commerce) > - Registration ID of particular registers (Building Architect > Association...) > - Licence ID (e.g. Import/Export license) > > 2) The PartyLegalEntity are legal information referred to the upper > Party > (the party wrapping the PartyLegalEntity info) > > The legal information are related to the legal entity of the same > company, not to another third party !!! > Example: The legal address and registration ID of the Party's > corporate. > > 3) The Issuer of an Invoice is "usually" the same party as the > AccountingSupplierParty, but when the invoicing process is > outsourced > the outsourcing it is another party. > The issued Invoice, by law, is still required to mention the > same original > AccountingSupplierParty and not the invoicing outsourcer. > > The outsourcer issues the invoice on behalf of the supplier, but > the > outsourcer DO NOT substitutes the supplier from the legal point > of view. > > The ONLY case when the Invoice issuer (outsourcer) appears as a > Legal > Entity on behalf of the AccountingSupplierParty, is the case of the > LegalRepresentative when playing the additional role of the > issuer party. > > I am sorry but I have to desagree your vision because: > > 1) The PartyLegalEntity can just contain legal information of the > upper > Party (Party that wraps the legal info) > > 2) The IssuerParty needs to be created separately, as the party legal > information are reserved for the AccountingSupplierParty and > are often > required. The issuer is not responsible for Tax and is not > representing > legally the supplier at all... > > The Issuer information is requested by some EU public > administrations > or financial control authorities to verify the issuer is > compliant with > national or European regulations. > > Thank you for any further clarification > > Roberto > > > -- > * JAVEST by Roberto Cisternino > * > * Document Engineering Services Ltd. - Alliance Member > * UBL Italian Localization SubCommittee (ITLSC), co-Chair > * UBL Online Community editorial board member (ubl.xml.org) > * Italian UBL Advisor > > Roberto Cisternino > > mobile: +39 328 2148123 > skype: roberto.cisternino.ubl-itlsc > > [UBL Technical Committee] > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl > > [UBL Online Community] > http://ubl.xml.org > > [UBL International Conferences] > http://www.ublconference.org > > [UBL Italian Localization Subcommittee] > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ubl-itlsc > > [Iniziativa divulgativa UBL Italia] > http://www.ubl- > italia.org<tim_mcgrath.vcf>------------------------------------------- > -------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php
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