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Subject: Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 26 March 2014 15:00UTC
MINUTES OF ATLANTIC UBL TC TELECONFERENCE WEDNESDAY 26 March 2014 15:00UTC
ATTENDANCE
Atlantic teleconference:
Oriol Bausa
Kenneth Bengtsson
Kees Duvekot
G. Ken Holman (convener)
Ole Madsen
Andy Schoka
Pacific teleconference attendance:
G. Ken Holman (convener)
Andy Schoka
STANDING ITEMS
Additions to events calendar: http://ubl.xml.org/events
- none
Review of Pacific call minutes
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201403/msg00018.html
Review of Atlantic call minutes
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201403/msg00016.html
Membership status review
https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#membership
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=ubl
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl/members/roster.php?num_items=80
- voting status is determined by the following:
- existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to
maintain voting status
- non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain
voting status
- current voting member list (alphabetical):
- Oriol Bausa
- Kenneth Bengtsson
- Peter Borresen (PSC chair)
- Jon Bosak (secretary)
- Kees Duvekot
- G. Ken Holman (co-chair)
- Ole Madsen
- Tim McGrath (co-chair)
- Andy Schoka (TSC chair)
- members approaching losing voting status:
- Peter Borresen
- what can we do to recruit more volunteers to the TC to share
in the work?
UBL 2.1 Status
- on 2014-03-24 OASIS Administration submitted OASIS UBL 2.1 to
JTC 1 for PAS processing
New documents for outsourcing warehousing
- Kees has begun a thread based on discussions minuted from previous
UBL committee teleconferences:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201403/msg00007.html
- agreed to create a JIRA ticket to track development of this idea
into a possible future set of document types
New document for party identification information
- initiated by Peter
- useful for a list of one, such as a business card
- useful for a list of many, such as populating a list of parties
in an ERP system or other system
- useful for a list of many, such as directory maintenance, adding
or interchanging a list of parties
- Kees has posted for discussion an example from a colleague:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201403/msg00020.html
- to the question of why there is no "party type" inside the
party element, Ken related his perspective that the UBL
document modelling approach derives business objects from
other business objects, specializing them by augmenting them
and reusing them, rather than by using a "type" field embedded
inside of them; this is why we have DeliveryParty, CustomerParty,
and so on, rather than just Party with a type.
- in a new document for party identification, it would be important
to associate *possible* roles that a given generic party could
play, or even the *actual* role that a generic party plays for
the sender (which might be different for the receiver); thus,
this document is likely sending generic party information and we
need to provide for a set of supplemental information (metadata)
*about* the party independent of that party being used in a
particular document context
- consideration also needs to be given to the identifier of the
party; it could be that the sender of the party information
embeds in the party an identifier from an internal record
system that has no relation to the receiver's method of
identifying parties
- agreed to create a JIRA ticket to track development of this idea
into a possible future set of document types
JIRA tickets
- Ken has asked TC Administration to set up a JIRA project for UBL:
https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/TCADMIN-1654
UBL Comment list submission
- Stephen Green has submitted a contribution for consideration:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-comment/201403/msg00000.html
- for discussion, our UBL Customization document talks to the calculation
model:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/guidelines/UBL2-Customization1.0cs01.pdf
1.6 Calculation models
The UBL Technical Committee does not prescribe a calculation model
that governs how values in instances are calculated (for example,
the inclusion of allowances in a line extension amount). Any actual
implementation of UBL should document its calculation model via a
prose description or a formal description using, for example, the
methodology being developed by the OASIS Test Assertion Guidelines
Technical Committee.
- during the Pacific call we looked at the following excerpt from
Stephen's post as the issue to be addressed on which to base a
response:
However, if the subset does allow a document to include the
rounding value then its semantics and in particular its
calculation model will need to handle this as an issue. In
such a case, I think UBL needs to warn implementers, the
designers of the semantic subset need to be aware and make
it clear how such a document is to be handled.
- agreed to add a JIRA ticket (when the JIRA system is up) targeted to
any future project regarding UBL implementation guidelines or UBL
customization, requiring the authors to consider Stephen's
contribution and supplement, if needed, references to the importance
of documenting the calculation model associated with a deployment
of UBL
- Ken will write a formal response to the comment when the JIRA ticket
is created
UBL TC next steps
- what promotional issues need to be addressed?
- UBL 2 is an organic thing that can be grown
- what do we do for implementation support?
- should we write a companion document of how to use the specification?
- industry-specific documentation?
- make it easier to find what is relevant without changing the actual
specification
- what about updating the International Data Dictionary?
- who can we find to help with this?
- how about another UBL International conference in order to
promote the release of UBL 2.1? Can anyone host this conference?
http://ublconference.com or http://ublconference.org
- perhaps an event in North America and in Europe in 2014
- Washington DC, Burlington MA (OASIS)?
- http://www.exchange-summit.com/ - Barcelona - October 2014
- BII - Paris in June? Frankfurt in September?
- Beijing June 2014 (JTC 1 SC32)?
- how about a Twitter feed of UBL adoption and announcements?
- what subject matter issues need to be addressed?
- more transportation co-ordination issues
- communications with transportation regulatory organizations
- what technical issues need to be addressed?
- are any schema changes needed?
- at the least we need to publish the NDR as soon as possible
- what educational materials need to be made available?
- how about YouTube videos regarding access to the UBL package?
TC CONCALL SCHEDULE
We are coming up to daylight savings time again, so please watch the
timings of calls in North America. I'm trying to keep the timings of
calls in Europe unchanged, since most members are from Europe, so the
time of the Atlantic calls in North America changes for three weeks.
The Pacific call takes place Tuesday evenings west of the Atlantic
Ocean. The time of the Pacific calls in North America is unchanged.
Next meetings:
2014-04-02 Pacific 00:00UTC/20:00EDT, Atlantic 14:00UTC/16:00CEST/10:00EDT
2014-04-09 Pacific 00:00UTC/20:00EDT, Atlantic 14:00UTC/16:00CEST/10:00EDT
2014-04-16 Pacific 00:00UTC/20:00EDT, Atlantic 14:00UTC/16:00CEST/10:00EDT
2014-04-23 Pacific 00:00UTC/20:00EDT, Atlantic 14:00UTC/16:00CEST/10:00EDT
Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future? For
privacy reasons, this discussion will be kept off of the minutes.
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http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/calendar.php?wg_abbrev=ubl
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