Re: [virtio-dev] RE: [virtio-comment] [PATCH] virtio-net: support per-queue coalescing moderation

[Heng Qi <hengqi@linux.alibaba.com>]

å 2023/2/8 äå11:04, Parav Pandit åé:
> > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 9:48 AM
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 08, 2023 at 02:44:37PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> > > > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 9:43 AM
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 08, 2023 at 02:37:55PM +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
> > > > > > From: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 9:18 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 08, 2023 at 07:30:34PM +0800, Heng Qi wrote:
> > > > > > > > I see two options.
> > > > > > > > 1. Just have per VQ params. Software has the full knowledge
> > > > > > > > of in which it is
> > > > > > operating, and state remains at software level.
> > > > > > > > This effectively achieves both the mode.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Have a mode cmd,
> > > > > > > > Mode = (a) per device or (b) per VQ (c) disable After the
> > > > > > > > mode is set, driver can set per device or per VQ.
> > > > > > > I find this more clear.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > Rereading this I think I misunderstood the proposal.
> > > > > > Now we are burning memory on maintaining mode, and this
> > > > > > information is duplicated.
> > > > > It is not maintained in the pci resident memory, so it doesn't hurt.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'd say let's just add a new command COAL_QUEUE_SET with vqn as
> > > > parameter.
> > > > > > Existing commands are simply defined as a shortcut to running
> > > > > > COAL_QUEUE_SET on all tx/rx queues respectively.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Latest command dictates the parameters. To disable just set
> > > > > > everything to 0 (btw we should make this explicit in the spec,
> > > > > > but it can be
> > > > guessed from:
> > > > > > Upon reset, a device MUST initialize all coalescing parameters to 0.
> > > > > > )
> > > > > Switching between the modes (per q vs per device) implicitly is
> > > > > ambiguous
> > > > and it only means device may need to iterate.
> > > >
> > > > hmm i feel it's only ambiguous because i failed to explain in well.
> > > >
> > > > > This state is either better maintained in sw by always having per
> > > > > vq or have
> > > > clearly defined mode of what device should do.
> > > > > Per Q is very common even for several years old devices.
> > > > > Last time I counted, there were at least 15 such devices supporting it.
> > > > >
> > > > > So actual usage wise, I practically see that most implementations
> > > > > will end up
> > > > with per vq mode.
> > > > > I like to hear from Heng or Alvaro if they see any use of per device.
> > > >
> > > > Right so given this, most devices will be in per queue mode all the
> > > > time. why do you want a mode then? just keep per queue.
> > > > existing commands are kept around for compat but internally just
> > > > translate to per-queue.
> > > Since the space is not released, do we need to keep the compat?
> > It's been accepted for half a year so we can't say for sure no one built this.
> That is likely but we should have the ability to have the Errata/ECN to correct it, specially for unrelease spec.
>
> > The way I propose is just a bit of firmware on device that scans all queues and
> > copies same parameters everywhere.
> This scanning loop in sw appears cheaper to me than some embedded fw.
> But is not a lot of concern.
>
> > Seems easier than worrying about this,
> > and we get disabling coalescing for free which you wanted. With an extra mode
> > its extra logic in the device fast path. Maybe it's cheap on hardware side but in
> > software it's an extra branch, not free.
> Most performant data path wouldn't implement and read the extra mode.
> It is always fw that is going to program same value, or per queue valued or disable value in each Q regardless whichever way we craft the CVQ cmd.
>
> The sequence that bothers me is below.
> 1. driver set global params
> 2. few minutes later, now driver set param for Q=1
>
> On this command, a device need to decide:
> Should Q = 2 to N
> (a) either work with previous globals, or
> (b) because per Q was set for one queue, they rest of the queues implicitly disable it.
>
> If it is (b),
> When a command on Q object =1 is issued, it affects other Q objects. <- This I want to avoid.
> A cmd that modifies the object, should only modify that object.
>
> If it is (a), it is mixed mode operation, which is ambiguous definition.

I think it should be a. I think we should blur the concept of mode. 
There seems to be no mode here.
From the perspective of the device, it only needs to distinguish 
commands and do what it should do.

Thanks.

> A better semantic is to define such change at device level and no extra cost in the data path.
>
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