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Subject: Re: Re: [virtio-comment] About adding a new device type virtio-nvme


On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 07:33:17 -0500, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:

>On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:49:23AM +0800, äèä wrote:

>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:01:37 -0500, Stefan wrote:

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>> >On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 10:04:07AM +0800, äèä wrote:

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>> >> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 10:16:55 -0500, Stefan wrote:

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>> >> >>On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 11:21:35AM +0800, äèä wrote:

>> >> >> As we know, nvme has more features than virtio-blk. For example, with the development of virtualization IO offloading to hardware, virtio-blk and NVME-OF offloading to hardware >are developing rapidly. So if virtio and nvme are combined into Virtio-NvMe, Is it necessary to add a device type Virtio-NvMe ?

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>> >> >Hi,

>> >> >In theory, yes, virtio-nvme can be done. The question is why do it?

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>> >> >NVMe already provides a PCI hardware spec for software and hardware

>> >> >implementations to follow. An NVMe PCI device can be exposed to the

>> >> >guest and modern operating systems recognize it without requiring new

>> >> >drivers.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> >The value of VIRTIO here is probably in the deep integration into the

>> >> >virtualization stack with vDPA, vhost, etc. A virtio-nvme device can use

>> >> >all these things whereas a PCI device needs to do everything from

>> >> >scratch.

>> >>

>> >> The NVME technology and ecosystem are complete. However, in virtualization scenarios, NVME devices can only use PCIe pass-through . When NVME and virtio combine to connect to the vDPA ecosystem, live migration is supported.

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>> >> >Let's not forget that virtio-blk is widely used and new commands are

>> >> >being added as needed. Which NVMe features are you missing in

>> >> >virtio-blk?

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>> >> With the introduction of the concept of DPU, a large number of vendors are offloading virtual devices to hardware. The back-end of Virtio-blk does not support remote storage. Therefore, Virtio-Nvme-of can well combine the advantages of remote storage and virtio live migration

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>> >virtio-blk is just a storage interface, whether that storage is local or

>> >remote is up to the device implementation. The block device could be

>> >located on Ceph, NFS, etc.

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>> >Each virtio-blk device is a single block device. There is no

>> >standardized management protocol in virtio-blk for connecting to remote

>> >block devices. I'm aware of hardware virtio-blk devices that connect to

>> >remote storage. Configuration is performed through an out-of-band

>> >management interface.

>> >Â

>> >Maybe when you say virtio-blk doesn't support remote storage this is

>> >what you mean?

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>> Yes, virtio-blk devices offlaod to hardware, For example, DPU and SmartNIC.

>> So, compare virtio-nvme with virtio-blk and NVME.

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>> Stefan

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>
>Let's circle back a bit. You asked:

>So if virtio and nvme are combined into Virtio-NvMe, Is it

>necessary to add a device type Virtio-NvMe ?

>And the answer seems to be:

>not without much more in the way of motivation.

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Yes, the conclusion is this.

Thanks!

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Leo


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