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Subject: irc transcript of conf call 2003-06-25
Hello, I took the liberty to type at irc a bit what currently is discussed, this is by no means official or correct, probably does not contain anything new or interesting, but just for completeness, here are the logs. Reminder: the service is up 24/7 (2 times 9 :) , so if a subgroup wants to meet, by my guest Bernd PS: IPs stripped, tiems in +0200 MEST [17:02] *** BerndEckenfels [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:02] *** Topic is: "OASIS TC - BPEL" [17:02] *** Topic set by ChanServ [Wed Jun 25 14:56:24 2003] [17:02] *** BerndEckenfels diane [17:02] *** Channel created on Wed Jun 25 16:56:24 2003 [17:04] <BerndEckenfels> Hello Diane, not much participation today here [17:04] <diane> hi Bernd - lets remind folks when we get started [17:04] <BerndEckenfels> ok, i send the url by mail again [17:04] <diane> i have a hard time reading this, watching my call status window and listening though [17:04] <BerndEckenfels> no problem, i think it is enough to tell that to everyone [17:07] <BerndEckenfels> mail is out [17:08] *** YaronG [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:08] *** dannyv [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:10] *** bflood [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:12] *** guest657 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:12] <BerndEckenfels> jordan olsson [17:12] *** guest927 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:14] <BerndEckenfels> david burdett, kevin lew, martin chadman in helsinki [17:14] *** Yuzo [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:15] *** Billf [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:16] *** arkin [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:17] *** guest289 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:19] *** dannyv [~127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [17:19] *** guest927 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC"] [17:19] *** dannyv [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:19] *** guest927 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:21] *** ryancairns [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:21] <BerndEckenfels> info: currently discussion on the terms of losing/gaining member status (warning after 2 missed calls in the last 3) to avoid quorum problems [17:22] *** dt [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:22] <BerndEckenfels> moving on... sub groups .. use cases, issues+requirements, liasons [17:22] <BerndEckenfels> and editing - with their own archives [17:22] *** yinleng [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:22] *** bflood [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [17:22] *** guest379 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:23] <BerndEckenfels> diane encourage: posted documents should be general or oasis scope [17:24] *** guest176 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:25] <BerndEckenfels> the upload form requires a checkbox to publish those stuff [17:26] *** lajash [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:26] *** Satish [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:27] <BerndEckenfels> diane is announcing, Microsfot is hosting next f2f in redmond, thanks to SAP offer in germany [17:29] <BerndEckenfels> diane was presenting the TZ poll, now update on liasons: [17:31] <BerndEckenfels> ws-choreogrphy and BCM presneted by Rajesh(?) [17:31] *** RonTenHove [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:32] <RonTenHove> Good morning; sorry I'm late. [17:33] <BerndEckenfels> tc liason reprenstation in groups within oasis is ok, to other groups it should be mandated and documented - liason link persons need to be member in both organisations [17:34] <RonTenHove> I don't think that will be a problem, at least wrt W3C-Chor [17:34] <BerndEckenfels> proposed motion: formalice the liasons [17:34] *** randog [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:35] *** jevdemon [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:35] <BerndEckenfels> subscribing to mailing lists of liasoned groups is not possible without beeing observer [17:35] *** guest258 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:35] *** guest258 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit [Client Quit] [17:36] *** Ugo [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:37] <BerndEckenfels> info: joining a subgroup is like joining the mailinglist as observer [17:37] <BerndEckenfels> diane is summarice the WS-C meeting [17:38] <BerndEckenfels> mission statement for WS-C is coming up - this could on higher level involve processes - there may be overlap with abstract process, may not possible to avoids overlap - but connect with interchangeable [17:39] <BerndEckenfels> potential to identify common requirements or joined meetings [17:39] <BerndEckenfels> ws-c is wsdl 1.2 bpel is yet 1.1 [17:40] <BerndEckenfels> diane tells us: neighter w3c nor oasis would restrain liasons [17:41] <BerndEckenfels> looking for manager to handle the liason to ws-c as focal point [17:41] *** sid [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:41] <BerndEckenfels> diane would see: periodically reporting from the other group by that person [17:42] <BerndEckenfels> ws-c proposed their chair [17:43] <BerndEckenfels> steve circulated this mail and agrees to dianes summary [17:43] *** sid [~@127.0.0.1] has quit [Client Quit] [17:43] *** sid [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:43] *** guest927 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC"] [17:44] <BerndEckenfels> Rajesh: Motion: We move to establish a liason W3C WS-C group ... we vote on that [17:44] <BerndEckenfels> steve seconds [17:45] <BerndEckenfels> the motion is discussed to be a bit compex to follow the wording [17:46] <BerndEckenfels> diane tells us since there is no volunteer, so we will vote on that later on, anyway, so we just endorse the motion [17:46] <BerndEckenfels> suggestion: make it a ballot or make wording more simple [17:50] <BerndEckenfels> danny: it was me Bernd [17:50] <YaronG> Danny, can you please add me to the speaker's queue? [17:51] *** PeterFurniss [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:52] <dannyv> yaron - i'll ask via voice, as per diane's request. [17:53] *** Srinivas [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:53] *** Ugo [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC"] [17:53] *** Srinivas [~@127.0.0.1] has quit [Client Quit] [17:53] *** Ugo [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:55] *** srini [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:57] *** guest289 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC"] [17:57] *** guest289 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [17:58] <BerndEckenfels> david is reorting on BCM [17:59] <BerndEckenfels> david: the BCV must be mapped to BPEL scripts, so BCM is looking at patterns to do this [18:00] <jevdemon> BCM is an OASIS TC that contacted us and wants to set up a liaison [18:03] *** Billf [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC"] [18:04] <BerndEckenfels> diane is looking to put a volunteer in the ws-c ballot [18:05] *** guest379 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [18:05] <BerndEckenfels> use case process is presented, using the documents from the sub group over proposing a usecase, prepared for vote [18:07] *** guest657 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC"] [18:10] <BerndEckenfels> yaron is presenting the "issues and requirements" state [18:14] *** dt [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC"] [18:17] *** guest697 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [18:18] <BerndEckenfels> peter now speaks on the requirements html template [18:18] <BerndEckenfels> currently it is on the doc page of the main list [18:19] *** fredcarter [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [18:21] *** guest176 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [18:24] <BerndEckenfels> peter presents automatically generated issue list, and issue process (post new issue to requirements list, make sure to keep issue id on discussion) [18:27] <BerndEckenfels> peter: format of editorial changes may be specified if we have more practice with the issue tracking template [18:27] <BerndEckenfels> diane says: next call will formally adopt it hopefully, try it out before [18:30] *** jevdemon [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [18:31] *** guest697 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [18:32] *** RonTenHove [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC"] [18:32] *** RonTenHove [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [18:35] <BerndEckenfels> suggestion is to not use the main list for technical discussion, but currrently issues can not be raised on the requirements list w/o subscribing [18:35] <BerndEckenfels> diane suggest a technical subgroup [18:38] <BerndEckenfels> satish is oresenting that only higher level goals contained in the spec existed at begin [18:39] *** jevdemon [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [18:44] *** guest379 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [18:45] <BerndEckenfels> sid would like to see a extracted high level requirements document [18:45] *** guest379 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit [Client Quit] [18:45] *** guest544 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [18:46] <BerndEckenfels> diane is nudging satish to start a first draft - dieter is volunteering [18:46] <BerndEckenfels> requiremnts should be based on the scope [18:47] <BerndEckenfels> diane reminds that scope issues might conflict with charta changes [18:48] <BerndEckenfels> formal motiuon may be based on the draft of those deliverables [18:52] *** RonTenHove [~127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [18:53] *** RonTenHove [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [18:54] <BerndEckenfels> state: we discuss the goal for a reuqiremts document [18:59] *** guest481 [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [19:01] *** guest481 [~@127.0.0.1] has quit [Client Quit] [19:05] <BerndEckenfels> diane wants to move on with the doc by dieter+satish [19:05] *** dannyv [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [19:06] *** dannyv [~@127.0.0.1] has joined #bpel [19:09] *** srini [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [19:12] *** sid [~@127.0.0.1] has quit ["CGI:IRC (EOF)"] [19:12] <BerndEckenfels> motion: closed
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