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Subject: Re: [wsbpel] Using RelaxNG
Jonathan, Alot of those vendor supporting boats are stuck on rocks the W3C schema was supposed to float them safely over ; -) So- wait a year while schema is re-tooled - and hope its more bouyant - or bring in some additional floatation support immediately to get off the rocks? DW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anderson Jonathan" <anderson_jonathan@bah.com> To: "Ugo Corda" <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>; "Maciej Szefler" <mbs@fivesight.com> Cc: "Ron Ten-Hove" <Ronald.Ten-Hove@Sun.COM>; <wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Using RelaxNG > Here's your view from the ground (the SOAP based SOA ground, at least): > > Thanks, but no thanks. XSD already keeps me busy enough. :) > > Seriously, I have a hard enough time keeping track of which W3C XML Schema > toolkits support which W3C Schema features, much less which SOAP > toolkits/platforms leverage which schema toolkits/data binding engines under > the covers. > > God bless the RelaxNG guys for fighting the good fight (W3C Schema is just a > monster), but I fear the the vendor support boat may have already sailed - > we shall see, right? > > Regards, > Jonathan Anderson > Booz Allen Hamilton > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ugo Corda [mailto:UCorda@SeeBeyond.com] > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:39 PM > To: Maciej Szefler > Cc: Anderson Jonathan; Ron Ten-Hove; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Using RelaxNG > > > Maciej, > > So, I suspect the reaction from most BPEL implementers and users to the > idea of using RelaxNG for BPEL language description would be something > like: "Thank you, but no thanks. XSD already keeps me busy enough ...". > > Ugo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Maciej Szefler [mailto:mbs@fivesight.com] > > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:32 PM > > To: Ugo Corda > > Cc: Anderson Jonathan; Ron Ten-Hove; wsbpel@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: RE: [wsbpel] Using RelaxNG > > > > > > Ugo, > > > > On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 12:48, Ugo Corda wrote: > > > Maciej, > > > > > > Wouldn't that imply that a BPEL implementation would have > > to support > > > both an XSD validator AND a RelaxNG validator? > > > > > > Ugo > > Absolutely. XSD validation would still be needed for what in > > BPEL passes as type checking (both at run-time and in > > static-analysis). RelaxNG would be needed at "compile time" > > to check the syntax of the language. This is in line with the > > common decomposition of a language specification into lexical > > grammar (roughly ~ XML), syntactic grammar (~ > > RelaxNG/XSD+post-parse checking), type system (~ XSD+rules), > > and execution semantics(~ shared sub-conscious understanding). > > > > Perhaps others disagree, but I do not think it is remotely > > practical or desirable to change the typing scheme > > considering the close association between WSDL and XSD (not > > to mention the reality on the ground). > > > > -maciej > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the > OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel/members/leave_workgroup. > php. > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the OASIS TC), go to http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel/members/leave_workgroup.php. > >
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