Re: [xri] Minutes: XRI TC Telecon 2-3PM PT Thursday 2009-11-19

[John Bradley <jbradley@mac.com>]

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Sounds like a reasonable approach.

Let me know if you want me to look at something.

John B.
On 2009-11-20, at 2:12 PM, Breno de Medeiros wrote:

> We had an early draft written by Brian Eaton and Nat Sakimura for XRD
> in general. I will start from there and simplify.
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> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Drummond Reed <drummond.reed@xdi.org> =
wrote:
>> +1 to doing a host-meta trust profile. I don't have enough security =
cred and
>> the ball is on my plate to finish the other XRI 3.0 specs so XRI can =
take
>> advantage of all this fabulous work on XRD, but I can always help =
with
>> editorial polish if others want to step up to do the raw drafting.
>>=20
>> By the way, Will, great minutes, it really helps for someone who was =
not
>> able to attend the call.
>>=20
>> =3DDrummond
>>=20
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav =
<eran@hueniverse.com>
>> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> I will not be a suitable editor for a spec focused only on trust. =
Anyone
>>> wants to take this on? I would like to see a first draft by end of =
Dec.
>>>=20
>>> EHL
>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: John Bradley [mailto:jbradley@mac.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:36 PM
>>>> To: Breno de Medeiros
>>>> Cc: Will Norris; XRI TC
>>>> Subject: Re: [xri] Minutes: XRI TC Telecon 2-3PM PT Thursday =
2009-11-19
>>>>=20
>>>> Yes that was more or less what we started to discuss.
>>>>=20
>>>> We should start work on the trust profile for host meta.
>>>>=20
>>>> John B.
>>>> On 2009-11-19, at 8:30 PM, Breno de Medeiros wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Apologies for missing this meeting. I had intended to come but the
>>>>> meeting mysteriously dropped from my calendar, so I didn't get
>>>>> reminded in time.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I had an interest in talking about trust framework for host-meta.
>>>>> Having heard the above arguments summarized, I think it might be
>>>>> appropriate for XRI TC to define one that the host-meta spec may
>>>>> allude to.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Host-meta security is an excellent test-case for defining a trust
>>>>> profile. Since it is information about a host, it matches the =
purposes
>>>>> that X.509/CA-based PKI was designed to solve. We should be able =
to
>>>>> create a trust profile for 'hosts' that avoid the more open-ended
>>>>> questions about how to provide trust for resources, at the same =
time
>>>>> avoiding questions about CA- versus self-signed certificates,
>>>>> alternative trust frameworks to PKI, etc. Not that I don't find =
such
>>>>> issues interesting, only that we have enough heavy-lifting in =
creating
>>>>> a trust profile even with a playbook to follow.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Will Norris <will@willnorris.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Following are the minutes of the unofficial telecon of the XRI TC =
at:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Date:  Thursday, 19 November 2009 USA
>>>>>> Time:  2:00PM - 3:00PM Pacific Time (21:00-22:00 UTC)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> ATTENDING
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Eran Hammer-Lahav
>>>>>> John Bradley
>>>>>> Will Norris
>>>>>> Nika Jones
>>>>>> George Fletcher
>>>>>> Scott Cantor
>>>>>> RL "Bob" Morgan
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 1) DISCUSS REVISIONS TO XRD COMMITTEE DRAFT 01 REVISION 01
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Eran was okay with Will making the changes proposed to the list:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xri/200911/msg00055.html
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> There was discussion as to whether clarification relating to the
>>>>>> optionality
>>>> of the <Subject> element should be a separate paragraph at the
>>>> beginning,
>>>> or a simple line in the <Subject> section.  Will noted that it =
seems
>>>> that only a
>>>> minority of people continue to be hung-up on <Subject> after it is
>>>> explained
>>>> to them, so the simple one-line addition to the <Subject> section =
should
>>>> be
>>>> sufficient.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Eran is currently waiting on a draft with this new schema to be
>>>>>> published
>>>> so that he can reference it from a new Host Meta draft.  Will is =
going
>>>> to make
>>>> the changes a tag WD10 this week.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 2) TRUST PROFILES
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Eran noted that he is also getting a bit of pressure to provide a
>>>>>> trust
>>>> profile for use with Host Meta.  If need be, he plans to simply =
include
>>>> a basic
>>>> profile as part of the Host Meta spec itself.  He has no problem =
doing
>>>> the
>>>> editorial work, but asked for some assistance with outlining the =
basic
>>>> flow.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> It was discussed whether it made sense to have a separate trust
>>>>>> profile
>>>> for Host Meta, or if the ones written for generic signed XRD =
documents
>>>> could
>>>> be written in such a way as to cover the Host Meta use case as =
well.
>>>> Additionally, there was a question of where that work should be =
done...
>>>> should it be a product of the TC, or do we leave it to be defined
>>>> elsewhere?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Scott noted that if the trust profile was specific to a =
particular
>>>>>> use of XRD,
>>>> then it should probably come from whatever body it is that is =
defining
>>>> that
>>>> use-case.  However, if it is relatively generic and useful across
>>>> different uses
>>>> of XRD, it makes sense to have it come from the TC.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> John noted that it would very likely be the same libraries that =
are
>>>> validating Host Meta documents as are validating generic XRD =
documents,
>>>> so
>>>> have consistency between them would be a good thing.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 3) PROPERTY ELEMENT
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> George wondered whether we were leaving things a little too open =
with
>>>> the generic key-value <Property> element.  Is it going to become a
>>>> catch-all
>>>> for people shoving all sorts of data into an XRD that perhaps =
shouldn't
>>>> be,
>>>> making the element so generic that it becomes less useful.  Will =
shared
>>>> the
>>>> concern, but the discussion didn't go much further than that.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 4) XRD COMMENTS
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Scott recommended that we get a head start on putting together =
the
>>>> official response to feedback received during the public review.
>>>>  Getting this
>>>> taken care of now will help expedite getting to the next TC vote =
when
>>>> the
>>>> review closes.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 5) NEXT CALL
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Next week is Thanksgiving in the US, so the next scheduled call =
will
>>>>>> be
>>>> December 3rd, 2009.
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