RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

Sorry I missed the previous round of discussions. But I was somewhat confused by this title, because the clause

“how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Can Fulfill Telecommunications Requirements”

sounds to me the “goal” this TC is working towards and we’re not identifying the “gaps” in this goal. Rather we’re identifying the gaps between the current technologies and this goal.

How about:

“Identifying Gaps between SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies and Telecommunications Requirements”

Thanks,

From: Abbie Barbir [mailto:abbieb@nortel.com]
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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

Stephane

Many thanks

So the current running name is (slight modification change To to Can):

"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Can Fulfill Telecommunications Requirements"

So let us try some acronyms here:

1. IGST

2. GIST

3. GSAT

Any other suggestions??

Regards

Abbie

From: Stephane H Maes [mailto:STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com]
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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

My problem in general is if the title seems to imply a major restriction on the scope that we do not have. So a title like "exploring the use of telecom service in applications" *limits the scope to exposure of Telecom capabilities in applications* (in addition to being questionable (service and application are at the same level it should rather have been function , capabilities, enablers that we use instead of services...). There are many other uses / aspects of SOA in Telco that we should consider.

"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Fulfill Requirements of Applications Entailing Telecom Services" ha the same restriction. Call it "Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies to Fulfill Telecommunications Requirements" would work better (because it does not limit to the scope to the usage of SOA in exposure to applications, which really is just 3rd party exposure or VAS exposure in Telco).

Same comment to the shorter version. The " Applications Entailing Telecom Services" qualification is not OK.

Thanks

Stephane

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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

The current title is not bad as one needs to start by analyzing the use before identifying the how and the gaps in what's available.
Nevertheless, the title should reflect the objective not how the group will reach it. And the objective as I understand it is:
"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Fulfill Requirements of Applications Entailing Telecom Services"

or shorter forms (suggestions):
"Technology Gaps in Supporting Applications Entailing Telecom Services (TG-SATS)"
"Expanding New Technologies to Applications Entailing Telecom Services (ETATS)"

hope one of these can work

Lucia

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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
From: "Abbie Barbir" <abbieb@nortel.com>
Date: Fri, October 10, 2008 2:04 am
To: "Stephane H Maes" <STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>, "Pierre Tane"
<ptane@nortel.com>, <asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Ronco
Enrico" <enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>
Cc: "John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "Amardeo Sarma"
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Anthony Nadalin" <drsecure@us.ibm.com>,
"Giordano, Michael (Michael)" <giordano@avaya.com>, "Brenner, Michael
Ralf (Michael)" <mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "UNMEHOPA, Musa
(Musa)" <unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Paul Knight"
<paul.knight@nortel.com>, "HANANE BECHA" <hanane.becha@nortel.com>,
"Marco Carugi" <marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "John Phillips"
<jap@nortel.com>, "John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "Bilel
Jamoussi" <jamoussi@nortel.com>, "Orit Levin" <oritl@microsoft.com>,
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<RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Joao
Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, "Sabbouh, Marwan" <ms@mitre.org>

Please suggest a name for the TC that we can agree on.

cheers

abbie

From: Stephane H Maes [mailto:STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com]
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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

Is this title supposed to replace the SOA gaps?

I think that we lost completely with the title the fact that the goal is to collect requirements and issues with SOA (if any) for telecom and find ways to address. the title is not OK. We should revert to previous title or find a new one...

Few more comments / suggestions to the draft in the doc.

Thanks

Stephane

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Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

(Resent to you separately, Stephane, given your mail server blocks zip files. A similar mail went to the ASOAT mailing list.)

Hello all,

I've enclosed a modified version to correct a few remainign typos and to propose a short sentence to address the editor's note that resulted from the comment i had made on the previous version. Let me know how i fared.

Kind regards,

Pierre

From: Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14)
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Subject: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc

All,

Attached are two files.

The clean file reflects my attempt in incorporating all the comments that has been recived so far on the charter.

The second file is to be used as a reference by the readers to see if I have addressed the comments correctly.

As such, time is really important now.

Please review the clean version and let us see if we have agreement on the text. Once that is done hopefully ASAP, I will setup a call next week to ensure that we are all on agreement on the charter.

Before I can send the send the charter to OASIS I will need the list of co-proposers of this TC. Please indicate to me who from your organization will be on the co-proposers list.

Regards

Abbie

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