Well
That
is an option??
All, I
will pick a name out from the list of suggestions that we have and if you have a
strong objection we can then change it. I will be circulating a clean copy later
today
regards
abbie
If it is just about the
name – why not just SOATG for SOA Telco Gaps?
Michael
From: Abbie
Barbir [mailto:abbieb@nortel.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:21
AM To: Anthony
Nadalin Cc:
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico; Giordano,Michael (Michael);
HANANE BECHA; Bilel Jamoussi; John Phillips; Joao Girao;
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Marco Carugi; Brenner, Michael Ralf
(Michael); Sabbouh,Marwan; Orit Levin; Paul Knight; Pierre Tane; Natale,Bob;
Amardeo Sarma; Stephane H Maes; John Storrie; UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa) Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
So you
saying not in the name of the TC, but OK to mention in the
charter??
From: Anthony
Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:16
AM To: Barbir, Abbie
(CAR:1A14) Cc:
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico; Giordano,Michael (Michael);
BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Phillips, John
(HAL02:V3BO4); Joao Girao; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Carugi, Marco
(CTF:33508); Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael); Sabbouh,Marwan; Orit Levin; Knight,
Paul (BL60:1A14); Tane, Pierre (CTF:EP10); Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Stephane H
Maes; Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa) Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
I agree that SOA
covers all, thus I don't think that we need to include Web 2.0 in the
name
Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122
"Abbie Barbir" ---10/14/2008 06:41:23
AM---Tony
From:
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"Abbie Barbir"
<abbieb@nortel.com>
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To:
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Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS,
<lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com>
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Cc:
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<asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org>, "Ronco
Enrico" <enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>, "Giordano,Michael
(Michael)" <giordano@avaya.com>, "HANANE BECHA"
<hanane.becha@nortel.com>, "Bilel Jamoussi"
<jamoussi@nortel.com>, "John Phillips" <jap@nortel.com>, "Joao
Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, "Marco Carugi"
<marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael)"
<mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Sabbouh,Marwan"
<ms@mitre.org>, "Orit Levin" <oritl@microsoft.com>, "Paul
Knight" <paul.knight@nortel.com>, "Pierre Tane"
<ptane@nortel.com>, "Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo
Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Stephane H Maes"
<STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>, "John Storrie"
<storrie@nortel.com>, "UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)"
<unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>
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Date:
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10/14/2008 06:41
AM
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Subject:
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RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
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Tony We are not planning on
ignoring either. From the beginning we thought of SOA to imply both Web Services
, REST and any other technology. We think of SOA as a concept that can utilize
any avilable technology or a mixture off.
Regards Abbie
From: Anthony Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:05
PM To:
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com Cc: Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14);
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico; Giordano,Michael (Michael);
BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Phillips, John
(HAL02:V3BO4); Joao Girao; Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Brenner,Michael Ralf
(Michael); Sabbouh,Marwan; Orit Levin; Knight, Paul (BL60:1A14); Tane, Pierre
(CTF:EP10); Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Stephane H Maes; Storrie, John
(MOP:MS024); UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa) Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
But lets put that in the perspective of SOA, as there
is nothing preventing folks from using REST based protocols for SOA, just like
there is nothing preventing folks from using Web Services. So I would think that
we should remove Web 2.0 and focus on the gaps of SOA for telecom and if the Web
2.0 issues come up then great but to limit this to REST and not include Web
Services is a mistake (thus just not include either in the name)
Anthony
Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell 512.289.4122
lucia.gradinariu---10/13/2008 12:03:27
PM---Some non-marketing interest in Web 2.0:
From:
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lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com
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To:
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"Stephane H Maes"
<STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>
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Cc:
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asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org, "Ronco Enrico"
<enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>, "Giordano,Michael \(Michael\)"
<giordano@avaya.com>, "HANANE BECHA"
<hanane.becha@nortel.com>, "Bilel Jamoussi"
<jamoussi@nortel.com>, "John Phillips" <jap@nortel.com>, "Joao
Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, "Marco Carugi"
<marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "Brenner,Michael Ralf \(Michael\)"
<mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Sabbouh,Marwan"
<ms@mitre.org>, "Orit Levin" <oritl@microsoft.com>, "Paul
Knight" <paul.knight@nortel.com>, "Pierre Tane"
<ptane@nortel.com>, "Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo
Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "John Storrie"
<storrie@nortel.com>, "UNMEHOPA,Musa \(Musa\)"
<unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>, Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS,
"Abbie Barbir"
<abbieb@nortel.com>
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Date:
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10/13/2008 12:03
PM
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Subject:
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RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
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Some non-marketing interest in
Web 2.0: As feedback from architects in Tier1s SDP projects, they are
concerned with using WS in cases such as exposing services across Service
Providers domains due to high cost of development and testing, they prefer no
coding/QA if possible. Alternative proposals are simpler plain Html/Java script
or Web 2.0 interfaces and they work on embeding problem management and other
operational aspects into that. Lucia
-------- Original Message
-------- Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc From: Stephane H Maes
<STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com> Date: Mon, October 13, 2008 8:13 am To:
Anthony Nadalin <drsecure@us.ibm.com>, Abbie
Barbir <abbieb@nortel.com> Cc: asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org,
Ronco Enrico <enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>, "Giordano,Michael
(Michael)" <giordano@avaya.com>, HANANE BECHA
<hanane.becha@nortel.com>, Bilel Jamoussi <jamoussi@nortel.com>,
John Phillips <jap@nortel.com>, Joao Girao
<joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>, lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com, Marco
Carugi <marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "Brenner,Michael Ralf
(Michael)" <mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Sabbouh,Marwan"
<ms@mitre.org>, Orit Levin <oritl@microsoft.com>, Paul
Knight <paul.knight@nortel.com>, Pierre Tane <ptane@nortel.com>,
"Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, Amardeo Sarma
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, John Storrie <storrie@nortel.com>,
"UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)" <unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>
Agree I did not
want to get stuck on that but why is web 2.0 called out is unclear too other
than for "marketing" reasons...
Stephane
_____ Stephane H. Maes,
PhD, Chief Architect & CTO, Mobility, Voice, and Communications,
Oracle. Ph: +1-203-300-7786 (mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM:
+1-650-607-6296 e-mail: stephane.maes@oracle.com IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/skype)
or stephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger) or stephane.maes@gmail.com
(Google)
From: Anthony
Nadalin [mailto:drsecure@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008
6:49 AM To: Abbie
Barbir Cc:
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico; Giordano,Michael (Michael);
HANANE BECHA; Bilel Jamoussi; John Phillips; Joao Girao;
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Marco Carugi; Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael);
Sabbouh,Marwan; Orit Levin; Paul Knight; Pierre Tane; Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma;
Stephane H Maes; John Storrie; UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa) Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
Why Web 2.0 ? REST and Web
Service can both play a role in SOA, so I would leave it at SOA and not add Web
2.0
Anthony Nadalin | Work 512.838.0085 | Cell
512.289.4122
"Abbie Barbir"
---10/11/2008 06:17:13 PM---Stephane
From:
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"Abbie Barbir"
<abbieb@nortel.com>
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To:
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"Stephane H Maes"
<STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>,
<lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com>
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Cc:
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"John Storrie"
<storrie@nortel.com>, "Amardeo Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>,
Anthony Nadalin/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, "Giordano,Michael (Michael)"
<giordano@avaya.com>, "Brenner,Michael Ralf (Michael)"
<mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa)"
<unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Paul Knight"
<paul.knight@nortel.com>, "HANANE BECHA"
<hanane.becha@nortel.com>, "Marco Carugi"
<marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "John Phillips" <jap@nortel.com>,
"John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "Bilel Jamoussi"
<jamoussi@nortel.com>, "Orit Levin" <oritl@microsoft.com>,
"Natale,Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo Sarma"
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Joao Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>,
"Sabbouh,Marwan" <ms@mitre.org>, "Pierre Tane"
<ptane@nortel.com>, <asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org>,
"Ronco Enrico"
<enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it>
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Date:
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10/11/2008 06:17
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Subject:
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RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
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Stephane Many
thanks
So the current running name is (slight modification change To to
Can):
"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Can Fulfill
Telecommunications Requirements"
So let us try some acronyms
here:
1. IGST 2. GIST 3. GSAT Any other
suggestions?? Regards Abbie
From:
Stephane H Maes [mailto:STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 11,
2008 3:34 PM To:
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14) Cc: Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Amardeo
Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano,Michael (Michael); Brenner,Michael Ralf
(Michael); UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa); Knight, Paul (BL60:1A14); BECHA, HANANE
(CAR:1A12); Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Phillips, John (HAL02:V3BO4); Storrie,
John (MOP:MS024); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Orit Levin; Natale,Bob; Amardeo
Sarma; Joao Girao; Sabbouh,Marwan; Tane, Pierre (CTF:EP10);
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
My problem in
general is if the title seems to imply a major restriction on the scope that we
do not have. So a title like "exploring the use of telecom service in
applications" *limits the scope to exposure of Telecom capabilities in
applications* (in addition to being questionable (service and application are at
the same level it should rather have been function , capabilities, enablers that
we use instead of services...). There are many other uses / aspects of SOA in
Telco that we should consider.
"Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0
Technologies Fulfill Requirements of Applications Entailing Telecom Services" ha
the same restriction. Call it "Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0
Technologies to Fulfill Telecommunications Requirements" would work better
(because it does not limit to the scope to the usage of SOA in exposure to
applications, which really is just 3rd party exposure or VAS exposure in
Telco).
Same comment to the shorter version. The " Applications Entailing
Telecom Services" qualification is not
OK.
Thanks
Stephane
_____ Stephane H.
Maes, PhD, Chief Architect & CTO, Mobility, Voice, and Communications,
Oracle. Ph: +1-203-300-7786 (mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM:
+1-650-607-6296 e-mail: stephane.maes@oracle.com IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/skype)
or stephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger) or stephane.maes@gmail.com
(Google)
From:
lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com [mailto:lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008
10:46 AM To: Abbie
Barbir Cc: John Storrie;
Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano,Michael (Michael); Brenner,Michael Ralf
(Michael); UNMEHOPA,Musa (Musa); Paul Knight; HANANE BECHA; Marco Carugi; John
Phillips; John Storrie; Bilel Jamoussi; Orit Levin; Natale,Bob; Amardeo Sarma;
Joao Girao; Sabbouh,Marwan; Stephane H Maes; Pierre Tane;
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
The current title is
not bad as one needs to start by analyzing the use before identifying the how
and the gaps in what's available. Nevertheless, the title should reflect the
objective not how the group will reach it. And the objective as I understand it
is: "Identifying Gaps in how SOA and Web 2.0 Technologies Fulfill
Requirements of Applications Entailing Telecom Services"
or shorter forms
(suggestions): "Technology Gaps in Supporting Applications Entailing Telecom
Services (TG-SATS)" "Expanding New Technologies to Applications Entailing
Telecom Services (ETATS)"
hope one of these can
work
Lucia
Lucia Gradinariu, Principal LGG Solutions,
LLC mobile: +1.719.964.1446 skype: lgradina www.gradinariu.com
-------- Original
Message -------- Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc From: "Abbie Barbir"
<abbieb@nortel.com> Date: Fri, October 10, 2008 2:04 am To:
"Stephane H Maes" <STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com>, "Pierre
Tane" <ptane@nortel.com>, <asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org>,
"Ronco Enrico" <enrico.ronco@telecomitalia.it> Cc: "John Storrie"
<storrie@nortel.com>, "Amardeo Sarma" <Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>,
"Anthony Nadalin" <drsecure@us.ibm.com>, "Giordano, Michael (Michael)"
<giordano@avaya.com>, "Brenner, Michael Ralf (Michael)"
<mrbrenner@alcatel-lucent.com>, "UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa)"
<unmehopa@alcatel-lucent.com>, "Paul
Knight" <paul.knight@nortel.com>, "HANANE BECHA"
<hanane.becha@nortel.com>, "Marco Carugi"
<marco.carugi@nortel.com>, "John Phillips" <jap@nortel.com>,
"John Storrie" <storrie@nortel.com>, "Bilel Jamoussi"
<jamoussi@nortel.com>, "Orit Levin"
<oritl@microsoft.com>, <lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com>,
"Natale, Bob" <RNATALE@mitre.org>, "Amardeo Sarma"
<Sarma@nw.neclab.eu>, "Joao Girao" <joao.girao@nw.neclab.eu>,
"Sabbouh, Marwan" <ms@mitre.org>
Hi Please
suggest a name for the TC that we can agree on.
cheers abbie
From:
Stephane H Maes [mailto:STEPHANE.MAES@oracle.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 09,
2008 11:15 PM To: Tane, Pierre
(CTF:EP10); Barbir, Abbie (CAR:1A14); asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco
Enrico Cc: Storrie, John
(MOP:MS024); Amardeo Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano, Michael (Michael);
Brenner, Michael Ralf (Michael); UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa); Knight, Paul
(BL60:1A14); BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Phillips, John
(HAL02:V3BO4); Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Orit
Levin; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Natale, Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Joao
Girao; Sabbouh, Marwan Subject:
RE: [asoat-discuss] TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
Is this title
supposed to replace the SOA gaps?
I think that we lost completely with
the title the fact that the goal is to collect requirements and issues with SOA
(if any) for telecom and find ways to address. the title is not OK. We should
revert to previous title or find a new one...
Few more comments /
suggestions to the draft in the
doc.
Thanks
Stephane
_____ Stephane H.
Maes, PhD, Chief Architect & CTO, Mobility, Voice, and Communications,
Oracle. Ph: +1-203-300-7786 (mobile/SMS); Fax / Office UM:
+1-650-607-6296 e-mail: stephane.maes@oracle.com IM: shmaes (AIM/Y!/skype)
or stephane_maes@hotmail.com (MSN Messenger) or stephane.maes@gmail.com
(Google)
From: Pierre
Tane [mailto:ptane@nortel.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 09,
2008 8:23 AM To: Abbie Barbir;
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico Cc: John Storrie; Amardeo Sarma;
Anthony Nadalin; Giordano, Michael (Michael); Brenner, Michael Ralf (Michael);
UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa); Paul Knight; HANANE BECHA; Marco Carugi; John Phillips;
John Storrie; Bilel Jamoussi; Orit Levin; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com;
Stephane H Maes; Natale, Bob; Amardeo Sarma; Joao Girao; Sabbouh, Marwan Subject: RE: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
(Resent to
you separately, Stephane, given your mail server blocks zip files. A similar
mail went to the ASOAT mailing list.)
Hello all,
I've enclosed a
modified version to correct a few remainign typos and to propose a short
sentence to address the editor's note that resulted from the comment i had made
on the previous version. Let me know how i fared.
Kind
regards,
Pierre
From: Barbir,
Abbie (CAR:1A14) Sent: jeudi 9
octobre 2008 13:17 To:
asoat-discuss@lists.oasis-open.org; Ronco Enrico Cc: Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Amardeo
Sarma; Anthony Nadalin; Giordano, Michael (Michael); Brenner, Michael Ralf
(Michael); UNMEHOPA, Musa (Musa); Tane, Pierre (CTF:EP10); Knight, Paul
(BL60:1A14); BECHA, HANANE (CAR:1A12); Carugi, Marco (CTF:33508); Phillips, John
(HAL02:V3BO4); Storrie, John (MOP:MS024); Jamoussi, Bilel (BL60:1A00); Orit
Levin; lucia.gradinariu@lggsolutions.com; Stephane H Maes; Natale, Bob; Amardeo
Sarma; Joao Girao; Sabbouh, Marwan Subject: [asoat-discuss]
TC-charter-October-9-08-clean.doc
All, Attached are two
files.
The clean file reflects my attempt in incorporating all the
comments that has been recived so far on the charter.
The second file is
to be used as a reference by the readers to see if I have addressed the comments
correctly.
As such, time is really important now. Please review the
clean version and let us see if we have agreement on the text. Once that is done
hopefully ASAP, I will setup a call next week to ensure that we are all on
agreement on the charter.
Before I can send the send the charter to OASIS
I will need the list of co-proposers of this TC. Please indicate to me who from
your organization will be on the co-proposers list.
Regards Abbie
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