RE: [bcm] Brochure Draft; An opportunity to put into practice the BCM pr

David,

I think you got most of it digested very well. However, SAIL is not a consulting gig, but a architecture resource center where re-usable solution templates are applied to betten enable the mapping of business needs to technical solutions via a lexicon. Service Component Templates are used throughout the process, and not just a bi-product. SAIL will adopt a series of methods that will be shared by the COI, and will become the defacto standard for those engaging SAIL. We have not specific tool in mind however, nor technology.

So, lets meet soon to discuss if there is interest. The white paper might provide more detail for you; www.ICHnet.org/sail.htm

john

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-----Original Message-----
From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:02 AM
To: John Weiler; nwasserman@adaptiveservices.com; 'BCM OASIS'
Cc: mike.lubash@dfas.mil
Subject: Re: [bcm] Brochure Draft; An opportunity to put into practice the BCM process

John,

I'm just trying to understand the landscape from the SAIL PPT you sent around.

SAIL seems to me to be a toolkit for "How to do consulting to the government", and

especially on agency level large projects - defining the requirements and the focus

at a 70,000ft level. Comparing and contrasting - one particular focus of BCM -

netcentric agile information systems - does not appear to be factored

in the SAIL PPT as a main outcome from the projects reviewed.

BCM it seems is what happens after you have done SAIL and now need to

find a way to realize the plan itself at the practical level. That is exactly where

we are on the eprXML project - providing pieces to augment the deployment -

and enable the business line managers to take ownership of the business

rules and linking and switching controls of the day to day operations.

Also providing the means to have a agnostic deployment of technologies

that cooperate and interoperate by applying the BCM principles and

key technology aspects of templates, dynamic context, and choice points.

And of coruse in the erpXML case - leveraging legacy systems by improving

interoperability.

Also BCM is providing a method that is assimulatable directly by practitioners

themselves throughout a Community of Interest - by providing the roadmap

and the catalogue of pre-built templates and artifacts they can take and use.

SAIL on the other hand appears to feature significant hand-holding by SAIL

experts who manage the process of using SAIL for a client.

So in summary - I would say that once a SAIL process has finished - then the

Phase 2 becomes using BCM to deliver the actual systems.

Therefore the area of overlap is - how much can be garnered and deduced

during the SAIL process to facilitate the following BCM stage?

Clearly identifying the community of interest, the stakeholders, the business

goals and the authoritative sources, collaboration roles and products

and services are things that SAIL and BCM share. So this is most of

all the Conceptual Layer outputs - and so part of the SAIL process would

be to provide those aspects of BCM templates.

However - once this is done - then BCM really takes over from there and

allows the line managers to complete the job the executives and directors

have shaped. BCM at this point is a method that practitioners then take

on as their own, and embrace it as their modus operandi.

Thanks, DW.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Weiler

To: nwasserman@adaptiveservices.com ; 'David RR Webber' ; 'BCM OASIS'

Cc: mike.lubash@dfas.mil

Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:02 AM

Subject: RE: [bcm] Brochure Draft; An opportunity to put into practice the BCM process

Neil,

The 60k is only for large agencies and integrators. The SAIL program has a lower threashold for small businesses, non-profits and consultants that also puts much value on non-cash contributions in kind (IP, bodies, etc). As this is a public/private partnership, the SAIL teams need to match the resources contributed by the govt. In many cases, the SAIL partners will find the later flow of funds to be incoming not outgoing, as this is a fee for service model.

Regarding vendor preferences, when looking closely at the SAIL and ICH vetting models, they have been proven to be more agnostic than most standards efforts as everything is evidensed based.

I suggest that the BCM team help build out the SAIL process to make sure we are leveraging your work, and visa versa. As we are focused on solving real world problems, (big ones), we believe the SAIL process will find both the strengths and weaknesses of many frameworks, including OMBs.

FYI, the concepts that SAIL are using have been in practices since 1999 and have been successfully applied (meaning solutions were deployed), for 6 major programs in both govt and industry. We are looking for more standardized templates (ebXML, MDA) to use that will improve communications between stake holders. The ICH Solution Portal will be on line soon, and will instantiate these reference models.

Cheers

john

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Wasserman [mailto:nwasserman@adaptiveservices.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:44 AM
To: 'David RR Webber'; 'John Weiler'; 'BCM OASIS'
Cc: mike.lubash@dfas.mil
Subject: RE: [bcm] Brochure Draft; An opporunity to put into practice the BCM process

John,

To add to what David is suggesting ...

I am also in favor of accelerating the process of putting BCM concepts into practice and using existing practice to inform BCM methods. It also seems to be to be a good idea to have a more active connection between BCM and your SAIL program if that is what you are proposing. There seems to be a $60,000 barrier to entry in terms of such participation, however. It is also important that BCM remain agnostic with regard to vendor preferences. What would you suggest as the best way to link the efforts?

With respect to the OMB reference models, my intuition is that BCM is like the PRM (Performance Reference Model) in that it touches the other reference models, particularly the Business Reference Model, Data Reference Model, and Service Component Reference Model. It informs all of these models from a community of interest perspective.

There is more than enough challenge, work and risk in these efforts to go around. So I am all in favor of learning from others' experience and sharing the burden.

Neil

From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:59 PM
To: John Weiler; 'BCM OASIS'
Cc: mike.lubash@dfas.mil
Subject: Re: [bcm] Brochure Draft; An opporunity to put into practice the BCM process

John,

OASIS is very clear on this all.

If you feel you have implementations that conform to an OASIS specification

then you can notify that technical committee about the conforming implementation.

So far we have one that we've been made aware of - the eprXML work from Norway -

and we are working with that team to develop BCM templates from that that will

be publically available.

If you have indeed taken the OASIS specification and applied to it your project(s)

then I'm sure we'd welcome the feedback on what worked, and where the gap

analysis is.

And we'd be especially interested in showcasing the resulting BCM templates

and other artifacts from the project(s) that illustrate the work done.

We are also beginning to work with other groups that have expressed interest - one

I can mention is CUNY in New York and their Center for XML - where they are

actively looking at BCM activities that may fit their program there.

The other of course is the OASIS eGov TC - and jointly developing examples

of BCM templates for specific government domains.

So it seems to me that one path forward would be to take whatever products

SAIL has done - and cast those into BCM templates - as Word and Excel

documents for instance - that we can then review and verify that in fact

they are applying BCM principles and techniques.

This then has the benefit of providing back into those projects BCM artifacts

that conform to an open public standard accredited by OASIS.

With the eprXML project we started by reviewing PPT materials and specification

and project overview materials that showed how BCM principles are being actively

integrated into the development of the project.

Perhaps you can share with us similar overview materials?

Thanks, DW.

----- Original Message -----

From: John Weiler

To: 'David RR Webber' ; 'BCM OASIS'

Cc: mike.lubash@dfas.mil

Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:29 PM

Subject: RE: [bcm] Brochure Draft; An opporunity to put into practice the BCM process

Mike, David,

I recognize the good work you are doing, and that the need to ground this effort into reality. While you are doing a great job developing specifications, a growing number of agencies and practitioners are putting theory to practice. Within a couple of week, a new initiative will be formed called the Solution Architecture Integration Lab (aka SAIL), that is based on very simular work developed under the ICHnet.org consortia efforts.

When reading your materials, I find that we are in fact implementation most of your vision, resulting in very specific real world example; eHealthcare, Discovery Communications, DARPA Distributed Component-based Architecture Modeling program (DCAM), GSA Financial Modernization Program, etc. These effort have been widely recognized as huges successes (see ICHnet.org web site for letters of reference).

I know we have tried to open this discussion before, and have been at a loss of how to bring an existing initiative into a standards process. Maybe we should flip this and bring the standards process into the SAIL initiative. Attached is the SAIL public/private partnership. We are already incorporating OMB MDA for the application development layer, and are using the OMB reference models for the upper layer. Where specifically do you see BCM fitting into this model, and how do you envision these two dove tailing.

Any options are good ones, but need some specifics to ponder. It would be easy to bring any agency or company into the SAIL program, but cannot figure out how to incorporate an standards process into a contract vehicle that will be solving real world problems.

Cheers,

john

John Weiler

CTO

ICH Architecture Resource Center

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+1-703-863-3766 (cell)

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``And let it be noted that there is no more delicate matter to take in hand, nor more dangerous to conduct, nor more doubtful in its success, than to set up as the leader in the introduction of changes. For he who innovates will have for his enemies all those who are well off under the existing order of things, and only lukewarm supporters in those who might be better off under the new.'' Niccolò Machiavelli 1513

-----Original Message-----
From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:01 PM
To: BCM OASIS
Subject: [bcm] Brochure Draft

I really like how this is looking.

Great stuff.

I've made some minor edits and fix'ins as

per attached.

Next bit is the [implementation] linkage as

per editors note.

The BPSS stuff I posted today relates - basically

the BCM requires certain behaviours of the implementation

layer - critical is ability to support context driven

mechanisms and linking and switching thru choice points.

And SOA is definately preferred. Some words along

those lines should cover.

Thanks, DW

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