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Subject: [business-transaction] Minutes of BTP Meeting 21st November
BTPers
Here are the minutes of Thursday's meeting. Bill also asked me to remind
evyone that the deadline for issues pertaining to the 0.9 version of the
spec is November 30th.
Regards, Mark.
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MEETING MINUTES
OASIS Business Transaction Protocol Team
November 21, 2001
Roll Call & Membership Status:
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Attendees:
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Sanjay Dalal BEA
Pal Takacsi-Nagy BEA (part of Meeting)
Bill Cox BEA
Alastair Green Choreology
Peter Furniss Choreology
Tony Fletcher Choreology
Alex Berson Entrust
Mark Little HP
Victor Corrales HP
Bill Pope individual - CHAIR
Alex Ceponkus individual
Pyounguk Cho Iona
Geoff Brown Oracle
Steve White SeeBeyond
Alan Davies SeeBeyond
Anne Thomas Manes Systinet - (observer)
Mark Potts Talking Blocks - Minutes
Apologies:
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Sazi Temel BEA
Jim Webber HP
Mike Abbott CodeMetamorphosis
Resignations & Loss of Voting rights:
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Mark Hale Interwoven (resigned)
Fred Carter individual (loss of voting rights)
New Voting Members: (As at close of this meeting)
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Bill Cox BEA
Tony Fletcher Choreology
Minutes
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1. First order was to vote and accept the previous minutes from the previous
conference call, with the caveat of the amendments offered by Bill cox of
BEA, the minutes were accepted by vote (unanimous).
2. Bill Pope asked for agenda items for the call and two were offered; The
agenda for the f2f in December (Bill Cox) and Issue Management (Peter
Furniss).
f2f Agenda :
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An agenda for the f2f was submitted by Peter Furniss (by email prior to the
meeting) and was discussed. It was agreed that the morning of the first day
should be allocated to a "Walkthrough" of BTP, this should be more of a
tutorial than a page by page walkthrough of the specification document. It
was also noted that walkthrough will be based on the 0.9 spec and include
any resolved issues pertaining to 0.9 that have been voted on prior to the
f2f.
There was discussion on the start times for the first day of the f2f. Bill
Pope suggested an early start (8:30am) such that we make the best use of the
time available. Sanjay Dalal (BEA) asked that the start time for the
walkthrough be delayed such that the timing was reasonable for those not
attending, but dialling in from the West Coast. Rather than delay the start
it was decided that the walkthrough/tutorial would be audio recorded, and
any diagrammatic content would be also be captured.
Discussion also ensued surrounding material for the tutorial and
walkthrough, and material for prior consumption to the tutorial at the f2f.
Bill Pope asked that Choreology make available the Interaction Diagrams they
have produced. Choreology agreed and Alastair Green also added that they
need updating based on the new language/terminology in the 0.9 spec.
Pyounguk Cho also asked that the presentation material produced by HP/Arjuna
be made available. HP agreed in principal, but need to check with corporate,
Choreology also offered their presentation materials.
Bill Pope also raised the issue of who would act as "Master of Ceremonies"
for the walkthrough/tutorial. Discussion ensued about this and it was
decided that this matter would be dealt with by Bill Pope offline from the
call ( as discussions about this have already taken place with some
parties).
The discussion then moved to other agenda items for the f2f. Peter Furniss
reiterated his proposed agenda from his e-mail of the same day (seen below).
1) Short Walkthrough
2) Vote on third block of issues
3) Open issues - likely to include rpc messaging ; conformance (there seem
to
be few or no other complex *technical* issues identified yet, though there
may be some between now and 30th November - there can be none after)
4) Timetable for completion
5) Continuation charter
Alastair Green added that we would also need to discuss the issues that were
still outstanding with regard to the production of a separate Primer for the
specification and the preface material in the spec itself. Mark Potts agreed
and would like to to discuss the content and style of the primer at the
f2f. There was general consensus on the issue, however confirmation of this
agenda item, and the agenda as a whole was made a separate actions item (see
later notes and action items).
With Regard to the proposed agenda item 3 (discussion of Open issues), Geoff
Brown conveyed the work underway at Oracle. This included working through
the spec and formulation of an issues list to be submitted as soon as they
are complete. Geoff also detailed the discussion he is having with JavaSoft
(Shell Finklestein, Mark Hapner and others) with regard to other bindings
for BTP specifically, JTA, JCA, and JMS. Geoff iterated his belief that
these bindings should be implemented and offered to the industry under an
open source agreement.
Geoff also suggested the possibility of defining a load testing scenario,
test bed definition or configurations, and definitive performance levels
based on the scenario and configuration. This would allow us to offer
optional conformance levels based on managed throughput.
Tony Fletcher commented that additional bindings and throughput metrics were
two issues that should discuss separately and raised these as perhaps issues
better allocated to JSR 156 given their relationship to the J2EE
specification (specifically regarding bindings). Alastair Green agreed and
added that perhaps under agenda point 5, proposed for the f2f, we discuss
JSR 156, alternative bindings and as part of the conformance discussion,
likely to take place as part of agenda item 3, proposed for the f2f,
specifically conformance, the throughput metrics and conformance issue
raised by Geoff can be discussed further.
Geoff Brown also added that if any member of the TC wanted to meet and
discuss BTP, the work underway at Oracle with respect to BTP, they were
welcome to contact him directly and arrange time to meet at Oracle World in
December in San Francisco.
Action Items resulting from the discussion of the f2f Agenda:
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a) Peter Furniss, prior to the f2f, to update the Choreology interaction
diagrams for BTP and make them available as a link, to Choreology, from the
OASIS BTP site. Choreology to maintain copyright on these materials. Peter
will also make available in the same manner and under the same copyright
restrictions the presentation materials Choreology have.
b) Mark Little to discuss with HP corporate their ability to offer
presentation materials again as a link, to HP, from the OASIS BTP site. If
acceptable to HP, prior to the f2f they will make available, in the same
manner and under the same copyright restrictions, the presentation materials
HP have.
c) Bill Cox of BEA to organise audio recording facilities at the venue for
the f2f in December such that the walkthrough/tutorial can be recorded.
d) Mark Little to supply digital camera facilities for the f2f to record any
diagrammatic content/images associated with the walkthrough/tutorial.
c) Bill Pope, based on the discussion regarding the agenda for the f2f, to
put together a formal proposed agenda for the f2f and circulate for comments
to the TC.
Issue Management:
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A proposal regarding the management, resolution and voting schedule for
issues regarding the BTP specification was submitted by Peter Furniss (by
email prior to the meeting) and was discussed. Peter laid out the proposal,
and discussion ensued regarding whether email voting or voting on conf call
was the best way to resolve the minor issues outstanding today. It was
generally agreed that the minor issues should have their resolutions
proposed and voted on via e-mail, those leaving the major issues to be
discussed via conference call.
Action:
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Peter Furniss to post resolutions to issues to the TC, and if not opposed,
or amended based on discussion, issue proposals for closing issues via
e-mail, that can then be voted on, again via e-mail.
Closing:
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Bill Pope closed the meeting at 9:58am and confirmed the date for the next
conference call, no sponsor for the call was established.
Action:
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a) Bill Pope to organise a sponsor, for the next conf. call, and issues
details to the TC
Provisional details for the next conference call:
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CALL DATE: NOV-29-2001 (Thursday)
CALL TIME: 09:00 AM PACIFIC TIME
DURATION: 1 hr
SPONSOR: TBD
USA Toll Free Number: TBA
Toll Number: TBA
PASSCODE: TBA
LEADER: TBA
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Respectfully submitted,
Mark Potts
Chief Technology Officer
Talking Blocks
www.talkingblocks.com
t. 415 255 7424
f. 415 255 7425
c. 415 606 9096
e. mailto:mark.potts@talkingblocks.com
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