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Subject: Re: [chairs] Re: Quorum required for good standing
Ooops I meant my summary to state: To summarize, I do not believe that "Not responding" members should be counted as present for quorum puposes on an email vote. Tom Rutt wrote: > If a member is not present at a meeting, they do not get counted > towards quarum. There votes are "not Present" rather than "abstain". > > Why is it not the same for email votes. If the member is on vacation > for a month, and do not respond to the mail, they should be counted as > not present for purposes of quorum. > > One quarum is verified, it realy does not matter whether "not present" > is treated as abstain, as the effect is the same in the final majority > calculations. > > To summarize, I do not believer that "Not responding" members really > should not be counted for quarum puposes on an email vote. > > Please let me know if my interpretation is not correct. > > Tom Rutt > Fujitsu > WSRM chair > > Tony Jewtushenko wrote: > >> Am I mistaken - doesn't OASIS followed Roberts Rules of Order? >> Customising the rules for membership/quorum is one thing, but to >> customise fundemental rules on voting and achieving quorum is, in my >> opinion, no different than making it up as you go. >> >> Roberts Rules <http://www.constitution.org/rror/rror-08.htm#46> is >> clear on the topic of voting: >> "When a quorum [64] is present, a majority vote, that is a majority >> of the votes cast, ignoring blanks, is sufficient for the adoption >> of any motion that is in order, except those mentioned in 48, which >> require a two-thirds vote." >> >> Note that for our purposes, an abstention should be equivalent to a >> "blank". Furthermore, an abstention is considered an appropriate >> vote in its own right: >> "While it is the duty of every member who has an opinion on the >> question to express it by his vote, yet he cannot be compelled to do >> so. He may prefer to abstain from voting, though he knows the effect >> is the same as if he voted on the prevailing side." >> >> Therefore, nullifying a vote where you have 2 yeahs, one nay and a >> couple dozen abstentions is inappropriate - the question should >> carry. The Yeah's woudl win even when a 2/3 majority vote is >> required, since blank votes are not counted. >> "Two-thirds Vote. A two-thirds vote means two-thirds of the votes >> cast, ignoring blanks which should never be counted. This must not >> be confused with a vote of two-thirds of the members present, or >> two-thirds of the members, terms sometimes used in by-laws. " >> >> With respect to the issue of membership and quorum - I think the >> answer is to bite the bullet and terminate memberships of those who >> are chronically absent. The TC I lead recently had frequent problems >> achieving quorum because of a couple of long term absentees, wo we >> went through a painful membership / attendence audit that resulted in >> revoking TC memberhip of 3 members (out of a total of 19), one of >> whom was an original founding member. We haven't had any problems >> achieving a quorum since, but I'll admit it was a painful process. >> >> Regards, >> Tony Jewtushenko, Chair - XLIFF TC >> >> >> Lauren Wood wrote: >> >>> [I cut down the CC list assuming everyone is on the chairs mailing >>> list - L] >>> >>> On 18 Feb 2003 at 22:44, Eduardo Gutentag wrote: >>> >>> >>>> That may be true in theory, but in the practice, when in a 20 person TC >>>> an email vote elicits 2 yes votes and 1 no vote and the rest either >>>> send "I abstain" messages or none at all, people are quite reluctant >>>> to consider the matter settled in favor of the motion. Most would say, >>>> and have said, that the vote doesn't and shouldn't count. >>>> >>> >>> >>> If everyone else abstains or can't be bothered voting, doesn't that >>> mean they don't care about the result of that vote? So why shouldn't >>> it count? I could see saying that a certain percentage of the TC must >>> vote in one of the three ways, which would imply if you don't care >>> what the result is you must explicitly say you don't care by >>> abstaining. How is this different to the common "if no objections, >>> it's carried"? >>> Lauren >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Lauren Wood, Chair, Entity Resolution TC >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription >>> manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tony Jewtushenko mailto:tony.jewtushenko@oracle.com >> Sr. Tools Program Manager direct tel: +353.1.8039080 >> Product Management - Tools Technology Team >> Oracle Corporation, Ireland >> >> > > -- ---------------------------------------------------- Tom Rutt email: tom@coastin.com; trutt@fsw.fujitsu.com Tel: +1 732 801 5744 Fax: +1 732 774 5133
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