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Subject: RE: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject needcommon base type]

Thanks, Karl, Ranjeeth,

A web form will certainly be helpful. Whether it can accommodate the 
range of feedback we need remains to be seen.

As a small point of clarification, my opinion is that OASIS is on the 
verge of becoming more influential and more respected. Hopefully this 
will lead to further refinements of the process that can address a 
number of issues that will be engendered by this success. The 
willingness of OASIS to work diligently to improve and extend this 
process is commendable and appreciated.

Having said that, I think we need to consider broader support for 
public discussion, perhaps separate from the TC process per se, if it 
can be accommodated. It may be that such a development may help in 
alleviating to some extent a particular difficulty I see developing 
at present.

Specifically, I think we may need to consider how best to consolidate 
some efforts, particularly in the legal, business application 
processes and web services arenas, where we are seeing a 
proliferation of efforts aimed at smaller and smaller niches that 
might better be absorbed as subcommittees within existing TCs, or as 
sub units of Joint TCs, or a new category of Committees similar to 
the Member Sections but dedicated to the larger categories of 
business and governmental processes where we find this proliferation. 
I suspect that as it currently stands, we face a great deal of 
unnecessary, and perhaps conflicting, duplications of efforts.

A new forum for discussing these issues, specifically in a public 
context where opinions need not be filtered by specific kinds of 
memberships, would probably be helpful for gathering insights that 
may be useful to us.

These are just suggestions based on observations. I also think we may 
need to seek an acceptable way to get the benefit of very narrow 
specialists whose participation in a TC per se simply to qualify for 
participation in a subcommittee is not likely to be supported by 
otherwise interested member companies. I am actually faced with this 
consideration in the area of VoiceXML and WML within the WSRP Markup 
Subcommittee I chair.

My closing thought on these topics is that we need to make sure we 
don't sacrifice flexibility while ensuring accountability.


At 10:42 AM -0400 9/26/03, Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga wrote:
>A web form can solve a lot of problems.
>Ranjeeth Kumar THunga
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org]
>Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 10:01 AM
>To: Rex Brooks
>Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org; Monica Martin; Farrukh Najmi;
>Subject: Re: [chairs] Re: [regrep] [Fwd: ObjectRef and RegistryObject need
>common base type]
>Rex, Farrukh:
>It's been the case for quite some time now that a person must subscribe
>to the comment list in order to post a comment. I know that it sounds
>silly to require this, but we've got to keep the spam off the lists and
>out of the archives, and the only other method is to moderate all of the
>comment lists and I haven't heard anyone volunteer to handle them all.
>We are putting together a web form that can be used to submit comments;
>I hope that we can launch this pretty quickly (we're also working on a
>couple other things at the same time). Once we have this then the guy on
>the street won't need to subscribe in order to send just one comment.
>Rex Brooks wrote:
>>  Folks,
>>  I caught this on the ebxml registry list and while I have not checked on
>>  the actual procedures in place with regard to the current manifestation
>>  of OASIS poolicy on the public comment lists, I find this unexceptional.
>>  With apologies to OASIS, I have to say that I find the current policy to
>  > have, in effect, killed the public comment lists, to the detriment of
>>  the TCs and OASIS at large at a time when many of us are trying our best
>>  to improve the stature of OASIS in the arena of standards bodies. This
>>  is a shame, and I must admit that I have, in effect, also thrown in the
>>  towel because it is a fight that I doubt we can win. The official mind
>>  is made up, and regardless of the rationale, the effect may already be
>>  irreversible. After more than two years of working on the Human Markup
>>  Language, I have concluded that one would be foolish to stand in the
>>  line of fire when any human being or group of humans decides to shoot
>>  itself in the foot.
>>  As Pogo observed, "We have met the enemy and it is us."
>>  Ciao, but sadly,
>>  Rex
>>  At 10:00 PM -0600 9/25/03, Monica Martin wrote:
>>>  Farrukh Najmi wrote:
>>>>  It seems that the regrep-comments list is now requiring that the
>>>>  sender be subscribed? This does not seem right. Should we not allow
>>>>  an external commenter to send comments unimpeded? I could not even
>>>>  figure out how to tell Mei Zhao to subscribe. Kathryn, could you
>>>>  please look into a solution to this recurring problem.
>>>>  In any event the issue/suggestion below seems to make good sense from
>>>>  an OO stand point.
>>>  mm1: On the suggestion, sounds reasonable.  On the issue about comment
>>>  list, I seem to remember some kind of an issue with Kavi and the fact
>>>  that the comment signup was either not intuitive or didn't work
>>>  correctly.  The webmaster should know on the system aspects. As to the
>>>  change in process, I can't answer there.
>>>  To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster
>>>  of the OASIS TC), go to
>Karl F. Best
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