RE: Minutes of the tele-conference CIQ meeting held on 15 January 2001

[Ram Kumar <rkumar@msi.com.au>]

Hi all

I was away and just returned.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Buller [mailto:vincent@and.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:08 PM
> To: 'Ram Kumar'; ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: RE: Minutes of the tele-conference CIQ meeting held on 15
> January 2001
>
>
> === Please disregard previous mail - this is the full version
> :-) =======
>
> Hello Ram, all,
>
> thanks for distributing the minutes on short notice. However,
> let's kick
> some life into this list, as I haven't heard anything since!
>
> Ram, I read you updated NAML - would you care to distribute
> the updated
> version?

Vincent, I have enclosed the updated NAML version.

>
> John, looking forward to the document on security - I hope
> this will help us
> in addressing potential questions like the ones that
> CPExchange appeared to
> have got from a hyped US senator. I read nothing about
> discussion on this
> part? Has there been any? I would like to hear what other
> people think about
> the time and attention we should spend on this.

John,

if you need any help from us, please feel free to ask us.

>
> I am not sure what to read in the bits about how we are
> progressing with the
> xNAL specification itself. As I see it we will simply copy
> and paste the AND
> GlobalAddress into the Mastersoft NAML to create a
> startingpoint for xNAL.


> In December Ram expressed the wish to verify, by making a
> comparison table,
> that everything expressed in his address format could be expressed in
> GlobalAddress. I myself am confident that this is possible,
> since we *are*
> processing addresses from all countries that NAML covers
> within my company.
> Also, Ram and I have actually compared our DTDs during XML2000 and we
> couldn't find any substantial differences, so for me this
> chapter is closed.

Vincent,

we agreed during the meeting that for some of the terms used in the Global
address
spec., we are not sure what it means as the document was not complete and we
agreed
that we will have more examples from your people who created the dtd.

> Perhaps Ram could be more specific about the areas that he
> still believes
> are not covered in GlobalAddress, perhaps by sending some examples or
> sending his current draft comparison table with suspected
> problem areas
> highlighted?

I am working on the table now.

>
> On the other hand I do recognize the need, by the time of our
> first draft
> xNAL release end of March, for some sample data. This is the
> timeline I have
> put forward, and since I am sure you appreciate the effort it
> will take to
> compile such a sample dataset, this is also the earliest that
> I can have it.

Agreed.

>
> What we talked about at our kickoff meeting is to make an extensible
> multilevel definition. For example, for Address this would
> mean that one
> should be able to markup a street as a whole (street&premise:"prinses
> julianastraat 26") or in parts (street:"prinses julianastraat",
> premise:"26"). This is a next step that we can start discussing now.

In fact, the current NAML specs. supports it. For example, for the following
address:

23 Archer Street
Chatswood, NSW 2067

you can in NAML tag it in XML as:

<address>
  23 Archer Street
  Chatswood, NSW 2067
</address>

(OR)

<address_details>
  <street>23 Archer Lane</street>
  <suburb>Chatswood</suburb>
  <state>NSW</state>
  <postalcode>2067</postalcode>
</address_details>

(OR)

<address_details>
  <street_details>
    <street_number>23</street_number>
    <street_name>Archer</street_name>
    <street_type>Lane</street_type>
  </street_details>
  <suburb>Chatswood</suburb>
  <state>NSW</state>
  <postalcode>2067</postalcode>
</address_details>

>
> I am currently converting the GlobalAddress DTD to the latest
> W3C schema
> definition; this allows us to be more expressive as we discussed in
> December. Ram, did you look at XML Schema and can you have a go at
> converting your specification?
>

I think we said that we will have an XML Schema for XNAL and XCIL in version
2.0
and not in this version. We have to be very careful when defining the Schema
for
names and addresses and in fact other customer data as the size of the
fields
varies from country to country. For example, street names and person names
are extremely large in Asian countries like India, Srilanka, etc. For
example,
my full name is: PARUVACHI VENKATACHALAM RAMKUMAR

> As for contacts with other organizations: I have a tentative
> meeting date
> with mr Wandt, which he has to confirm. I also still believe
> aligning work
> with ebXML is very important; i.e. making clear that OASIS is already
> working on a customer profile and making sure this work is
> not duplicated by
> the ebXML core components group. Since OASIS and ebXML are related
> organizations/initiatives, I find this of higher priority
> than cpExchange
> which has been a difficult effort sofar. Karl, could you create any
> certainty in this area from an OASIS perspective?

True. ebXML is top priority to us. At the same time, it is important
to work closely with groups run by Mr.Wandt which will help us to
have a common standard for name and addresses.

>
> Ram, did you hear anything from the DocBook people on the
> e-mail you sent
> them?

I sent a couple of e-mails to Norman Walsh of the DocBook and
have not heard anything so far.

BTW, Bad Husick of Vignette, who was leading the CPEXchange
group has left the group as he resigned from Vignette.

Regards

Ram
>
> Cheers,
> Vincent
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ram Kumar [mailto:rkumar@msi.com.au]
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 2:45 AM
> > To: ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Cc: rkumar@msi.com.au
> > Subject: Minutes of the tele-conference CIQ meeting held on
> 15 January
> > 2001
> >
> >
> > MINUTES
> >
> > Attendees:  John Benett, Karl Best and Ram Kumar
> > Absentees: Vincent Buller
> >
> > Ram has updated the NAML DTD and the document with the minor
> > changes suggested during the Dec.6 meeting.
> >
> > Ram is now creating a table that will consist of NAML
> address elements
> > and Global address model elements. This will be helpful in
> integrating
> > the two models.
> >
> > The action items from the meeting are as follows:
> >
> > 1. Vincent to release an updated version of the AND Global address
> >     model document as promised in the Dec.6 meeting. This
> document is
> >     expected to contain many address examples that describe
> > about the tags
> >     that are defined in the model. Given that there are not enough
> > information
> >     to understand the tags and the address structure in the
> > current doc,
> >     the examples will make it easier to understand. Once this
> > is available,
> >     Ram will compile the table that matches the address
> > structures of the
> >     Global Address and NAML. This table will then be helpful
> > in integrating
> >     the two models.
> >
> > 2. Vincent to set an appointment with Mr.Wandt of CEN and
> > discuss about
> >     their plans of coming up with an XML model for addresses.
> > We need to
> >     convince Mr.Wandt's group to work closely with us which
> > will benefit
> > each groups.
> >     This is important.
> >
> > 3. Karl is waiting on Vincent to talk to Mr.Wandt before he
> > can talk to
> > CPExchange
> >     group about working closely with CIQ. If we take the
> > story of CEN's
> > interest
> >    in working with us, this will add more value when we sell
> > our story to
> > CPEXchange.
> >
> > 4. John has collected documents on P3P and other security
> > standards and will
> >    provide us a report by the beginning of Feb.2001.
> >
> >
> > NEXT CONFERENCE CALL:
> >
> > February 15, 2001 - same time as this month's call.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Ram
> >
>

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