[ciq] FW: Collaborative work between OASIS CIQ TC and HR-XML

[Ram Kumar <rkumar@msi.com.au>]

CIQ TC

FYI

Cheers

Ram

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Gannon [mailto:patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2002 1:26 PM
To: chucka@hr-xml.org; Ram Kumar; Gnosis_@compuserve.com
Cc: karl.best@oasis-open.org; 'Paul Kiel'
Subject: RE: Collaborative work between OASIS CIQ TC and HR-XML


Chuck,

I am pleasantly surprised to see that you are finding an opportunity to work
with one of our OASIS TCs.  We think that they may be even more opportunity
to work together, but it seemed that you and Paul were getting heavily
involved in integration work with OAG; which is working at cross-purposes
with other OASIS TC activities.

Let me know if you want to talk further.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Allen - HR-XML [mailto:chucka@hr-xml.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:20 PM
To: Ram Kumar; Gnosis_@compuserve.com
Cc: karl.best@oasis-open.org; patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org; 'Paul Kiel'
Subject: RE: Collaborative work between OASIS CIQ TC and HR-XML


Ram and David,

David indeed passed on the information on AssemblyDoc and mentioned
your work with OAG. Paul and I will be at OAG's forthcoming Detroit
meeting - so perhaps that might be a venue to discuss further
collaboration. I know I've seen David at some of these in the past.

We'd also like to give a representative a chance to speak
directly to our constituency either in a forthcoming conference
call of our 'Cross-Process Objects' group or perhaps at our
next quarterly in New Orleans, Oct. 14-15:
http://docs.hr-xml.org/meetingAgendaOct14-15.html

Best Regards,

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Ram Kumar [mailto:rkumar@msi.com.au]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:41 PM
To: 'Paul Kiel'
Cc: chucka@hr-xml.org; ciq@lists.oasis-open.org;
karl.best@oasis-open.org; patrick.gannon@oasis-open.org
Subject: Collaborative work between OASIS CIQ TC and HR-XML


Hi Chuck and Paul

OASIS CIQ TC will be happy to work closely with HR-XML on how
we can interoperate between our two specs. Infact, I think the
timing is right. For the past few weeks my committee has been
talking along these lines of interoperability of xNAL with other name
and address specs. This is the next major work that we intend to do.
David Webber of our committee has come up with a proposal on using
the concept of "AssemblyDoc" that has been borrowed from ebXML for
this purpose. We believe that this is a good approach. David will
send his ideas to you and I am sure will be keen to get your feedbacks.

If your group thinks that this idea is good, we can then start discussing
on how we can do this work jointly. May be, we can even jointly issue
a press release on this collaborative work that I am sure, will generate
enough interest among other standard groups to even participate.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

With kind regards

Ram Kumar
Chair, OASIS CIQ TC

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Kiel [mailto:paul@hr-xml.org]
> Sent: Saturday, 20 July 2002 1:59 AM
> To: Ram Kumar
> Cc: chucka@hr-xml.org
> Subject: Re: Real collaborative work between OASIS and HR-XML
>
>
> Greetings Ramu,
>
> I just wanted to follow up on Chuck's note.  I think the potential for
> interoperability here is very good, as both your and our
> specs have been
> around for about 2 years and both have significant installation bases
> outside of either of our organizations.  So interoperability
> could make a
> real difference.  If we can come up with a proposal on how to
> proceed with
> this I would like put it before our CPO (Cross Process
> Object) work group,
> who created our specs, for next steps.  Do the items Chuck
> mentions here
> sound like the basis of a proposal?
> Regards,
> Paul Kiel
> Chief Architect
> HR-XML Consortium
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chuck Allen - HR-XML [mailto:chucka@hr-xml.org]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:07 AM
> > To: Ram Kumar [rkumar@msi.com.au]
> > Cc: Kim Bartkus; Paul Kiel
> > Subject: RE: Real collaborative work between OASIS and HR-XML
> >
> >
> > Hi Ramu,
> >
> > Thank you for this note.  HR-XML is certainly committed to
> interoperability
> > and I think it would be beneficial to begin a dialogue on
> the Name/Address
> > issues that are common to our groups.
> >
> > Some initial thoughts:
> > 1) Recognize the scope difference in the goals (compare apples with
> apples):
> > The HR-XML PersonName and PostalAddress are designed to solve a more
> narrow
> > problem than all of xNAL.  The more accurate correlations
> would be between
> > HR-XML PersonName and xNAL's PersonName.  Also, the HR-XML
> PostalAddress
> > correlates roughly with the xNAL AddressDetails without the
> > PostalServiceElements.
> >
> > 2) Develop a mapping between the specs that would ensure
> interoperability
> > and may perhaps lead to mutual updates.
> >
> > 3) Both specs have been around for some time and have a large
> implementation
> > base.  Use the mappings in 2) to begin the bridge between
> established
> > implementation and any new revisions developed.
> >
> > We are beginning to offer other standards groups a nonexclusive,
> irrevovable
> > copyright to our PersonName, PostalAddress, and other 'cross-process
> > objects'. If this sounds like it would make it easier to borrow good
> ideas,
> > let me know. Paul, Kim, and I will be traveling next week,
> but we'd be
> > happy to follow-up on this if you are interested.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Chuck Allen
> > Director, HR-XML Consortium, Inc.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ram Kumar" <rkumar@msi.com.au>
> > To: <chucka@hr-xml.org>; <kim@hr-xml.org>; <paul@hr-xml.org>
> > Cc: <rkumar@msi.com.au>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:16 PM
> > Subject: Real collaborative work between OASIS and HR-XML
> >
> >
> > > Hi Chuck
> > >
> > > I am the chairman of the OASIS Customer Information
> Quality Technical
> > > Committee (CIQ TC)
> > > where we have developed global and aplication independent
> XML Standards
> > > namely,
> > > - xNAL: Customer (Person/Organisation) Name and Address
> > > - xCIL: Customer (Person/Organisation) Information (other
> than name and
> > > address)
> > > - xCRL: Customer (Person/Organistaion) Relationships
> > >
> > > Our committee is aware of your group having developed
> name and address
> > > schemas as part of your
> > > overall schemas for HR.
> > >
> > > I understand that OASIS and HR-XML have a good
> relationship are keen on
> > > promoting interoperability to the industry
> > > and are promoting collaborative work between different
> groups developing
> > XML
> > > standards.
> > >
> > > Why cannot the OASIS CIQ TC and HR-XML group set an example to the
> > industry
> > > on interoperability and collaborative
> > > work by working together on re-using the schemas developed by our
> groups?
> > > For example, we have few standards
> > > consortiums like Medbiquitous are using our schemas for
> name and address
> > as
> > > the basis. We have the Election and
> > > Voting Services Standards Group using xNAL for name and
> address as the
> > basis
> > > and we are also in liaison with the
> > > UBL Group to do the same.
> > >
> > > HR-XML develops standards specific to human resources
> related data. CIQ
> TC
> > > develops standards that are related
> > > to customer (we use the term "customer". "Party" would
> have been better)
> > in
> > > general, where a customer can be a
> > > person or an organisation. CIQ TC standards are independent of any
> > specific
> > > application area such as human
> > > resources, postal services, etc. CIQ TC standards can
> therefore, be used
> > by
> > > any application that needs to define
> > > customer (person/organisation) data.
> > >
> > > We therefore, strongly believe that HR-XML can re-use
> xNAL standards as
> a
> > > start for name and address standards
> > > rather than develop its/extend own name and address
> standard. We spent
> > over
> > > two years developing xNAL to support
> > > any type of applications (simple to complex apps. such as name and
> address
> > > parsing) that uses name and address.
> > >
> > > I look forward to your views on this.
> > >
> > > With kind regards
> > >
> > > Ram Kumar
> > >
> > > Ram Kumar
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