RE: [ciq] Fw: Re: LegalXML Participation and Re-use

["Ram Kumar" <rkumar@msi.com.au>]

Hi Rob,

Thank you. Customer/Party Information is so critical to
all the e-business activities. This is the precise reason
why CIQ standards are so important. But unfortunately, organisations/
other standard efforts ignore this fact and build their own
party definitions as part of the standards effort. The excuse they
give is that CIQ standards are too comprehensive and they do not
want such comprehensive standard. But what they fail to realise is
that party information in an organisation can be used for many different
purposes such as customer data integration, name and address parsing,
mathcing, validation, user registration, postal, etc etc. Let us say,
an organisation use different standards for different purposes such as
a standard for purchase order, business process, postal services, etc. Party
information gets duplicated all over the place due to different
representation
(conformance to different standards used) of the same information and as
a result, interoperability is impossible. This is what CAM TC is trying to
solve. But would it not be so easy if different standard development groups
use CIQ as a base that is application independent and global and then
extend it for specific needs rather than re-inventing the wheel?

Well, as we all know, politics is number one than anything else when it
comes to reality. But we have to keep trying to get this message across
no matter whether we succeed or not. Efforts from your organisation in
implementing CIQ standards as part of your product are critical to the
widespread adoption of CIQ and the CIQ TC has to thank you and your
organisation for this.

Kind regards,

Ram

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Beauchamp [mailto:rbeach@journee.com]
> Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 8:31 AM
> To: Ram Kumar
> Subject: RE: [ciq] Fw: Re: LegalXML Participation and Re-use
>
>
> Great job Ram!  Your response was outstanding.  I'm happy to see that
> other groups are not trying to re-invent the wheel.  Your
> commitment to
> the use and pervasiveness of CIQ is truly amazing.
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ram Kumar [mailto:rkumar@msi.com.au]
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 3:48 PM
> To: ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [ciq] Fw: Re: LegalXML Participation and Re-use
>
> CIQ TC,
>
> FYI.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ram
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message -----------
> From: Tony Rutkowski <trutkowski@verisign.com>
> To: jmessing@law-on-line.com, dang@mit.edu
> Sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:50:12 -0400
> Subject: Re: LegalXML Participation and Re-use
>
> Hi John, Dan,
>
> The new LI-XML project providing an interface for
> integrated subscriber information lookups continues
> to get considerable traction.  It should really
> demonstrate the value of the LI-XML work and OASIS,
> and serve as the first deliverable.  The original
> attempt to take on everything but the kitchen sink
> in parallel was overwhelming and not working.
>
> I've attached the latest stable project description
> as well as the great reply of Ram Kumar and the
> assistance of the CIQ TC.  As you can see, we
> can gain enormous leverage from the work CIQ
> has done.  There are also bits and pieces from
> a few other TCs that can be imported.  About
> the only thing we'll need to add are data elements
> unique to communications data retention systems.
>
> What's particularly nice about the CIQ work is its
> built-in accommodation of worldwide requirements,
> as well as substantial global participation.
>
> If fully implemented, the LI-XML integrated subscriber
> production request specification could save
> communication service providers hundreds
> of millions a year, and law enforcement agencies
> millions of hours a year in time spend re-entering
> subscriber and call record data.
>
> I would like to proceed in two steps.  The first
> is to work with Ram and the subscriber management
> collection system vendors in a small drafting group
> to get a draft spec developed.  Some liaison with
> other TC chairs seems appropriate - perhaps John
> can handle that.  We can then introduce it within
> LI-XML committee and full vet the draft to gain
> approval and adoption.
>
> Does this seem like an acceptable plan?
>
> best,
> tony
> ------- End of Forwarded Message -------
>
>
> Ram Kumar
> General Manager - Development & Architecture
> MSI
> Sydney, Australia
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