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Subject: DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes 19 November 2003

| DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 19 Nov 2003
| =======================================================
| The DocBook Technical Committee met on Wednesday, 19 Nov 2003 at
| 05:00p EST (02:00p PST, 22:00GMT, 22:00BST, 23:00CEST, 07:00JST+,
| 02:30a India+) for 90 minutes.
| Agenda
| 1. Roll call

Paul Grosso
Dick Hamilton
Larry Rowland (prospective)
Nancy Harrison
Michael Smith
Robert Stayton
Steven Cogorno
Scott Hudson
Norman Walsh


Mark Johnson


Jeff Beal
Paul Boos

Meeting called to order at 17:05 EST.

| 2. Accepting the minutes[1] of the previous meeting


| 3. Next meeting: 16 Dec 2003.

Correction: next meeting is Wednesday 17 Dec 2003.
We meet on Wednesdays now.

Action: Bob to fix the OASIS calendar dates.

| 4. Review of the agenda

No changes.

| 5. Review of open action items
|     a. Norm to follow-up on RFE 562343: <packagename> element
|     b. Norm to write better documentation for option/optional
|     c. Norm to describe how the prototype works and how it was
|     d. Mike to provide a better proposal for choicelist markup.
|     e. Mike to reconsider the annotation problem and post his thoughts.
|     f  Norm to post his stylesheet that attempts to convert existing
|        documents to the "V5" style markup.
|     g. Norm to add bibliolist to next agenda.
|     h. Norm and Bob to coordinate secretarial duties.
|     i. Norm to make firstterm and glossterm isomorphic.
|     j. Dick to propose more general solution for caption in mediaobject.
|     k. Steve to propose generalizing programlisting to the list.

| 6. Action reminders? (Bob)

Action: Bob to send out action item reminders one week
before each meeting.

| 7. Improved citations proposal (RFE 810932).

Much discussion of detailed proposal submitted by
Markus Hoenicka, Bruce D'Arcus, and Peter Flynn.
Markus attended the call and answered questions.

Markus: improvements in citations are needed in academic
uses of DocBook. Most info for a citation is in the
biblioentry elements in the bibliography, but additional
info for a specific citation needs to be captured there.
They propose a new biblioref element, which is like xref
but has addtional bibliographic attributes and processing

Steve: what about xref or link?

Markus: new attributes are specialized for bibliographic links.

Norm: why new attributes on citation as well?

Markus: a single citation can include multiple bibliorefs,
or no biblioref.

Nancy:  suggests not putting renderas on citation, but
for those rare cases use role.

Norm: putting human readable text in attributes like
caption is bad practice for internationalization reasons.

Mike: biblioref could contain a caption element.

Markus: or PCDATA, which would be the caption.

Paul: caption is to be deprecated in future DTDs.

Steve: suggests using a preprocessor to convert
raw citations to cooked citations.

Markus: Peter Flynn is doing something like that with XSLT.

Norm: suggests trying to meet 80% of the need.  Caption
could be part of the citation text.

Norm: proposes adding biblioref with no caption attribute.
It would be allowed wherever xref and link are allowed.

<!ELEMENT biblioref - - EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST biblioref linkend IDREF #REQUIRED
                        endterm IDREF #IMPLIED
                        unit NMTOKEN #IMPLIED
                        start NMTOKEN #IMPLIED
                        stop NMTOKEN #IMPLIED
                        renderas (full|author|year|title) #IMPLIED

Markus: will discuss this proposal with other list
members before the next meeting.

Action: Bob to add this item to the next meeting's agenda.

The Committee wishes to thank Markus for attending
the call and answering questions.

| 8. DocBook V4.3 CR1

Norm proposed designating the current DTD as 4.3CR1
and starting the 30 day comment clock.

Action: Norm to publish 4.3CR1.

Action: Norm to produce a simplified 4.3CR1.

| 9. DocBook V5.0 (RELAX NG)

No news.

| 10. Bibliolist (from bibliography in refentry RFEs 742624 and 686733).
|     Considered by TC in 2001 [2].
|     Norm's proposal from 2001 [3].
|     Recent TC discussion in August 2003 [4].
|     Norm proposed bibliolist [5], one positive response from list.
|     <!ELEMENT bibliolist (blockinfo?,
|                       (%formalobject.title.content;)?,
|                       (biblioentry|bibliomixed)+)>
|     With common attributes.
|     To be allowed anywhere other sorts of lists are allowed.

Norm: reluctant to add a new element.  Adapt bibliography
instead?  It is already allowed in many places, including

Nancy: bibliography should remain as a hierarchical
element like a chapter.

Bob: if we had had bibliolist, it probably would have been
used instead of bibliography in section and the like.

Proposal: adopt Norm's bibliolist element, and permit in
same locations as other lists.  Approved.
Won't be added to version 4.3.

The committee expressed a desire to
remove bibliography from sections in V5,
and to consider more broadly the usage of
glossary, lot, and similar hierarchical elements.

| 11. Review of Requests for Enhancement

No time. Next meeting to set aside more time for RFEs.

Action: Bob to add agenda item to reconsider the policy
for backwards incompatible changes.

Meeting adjourned at 6:30 EST.

|     To browse a specific RFE, enter the URL (on one line):
|       http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&;;
|       group_id=21935&atid=384107&aid=XXXX
|       543064 JavaObject tag
|       675024 form, script, applet support
|       698026 cannot embed <superscript> within <guibutton>
|       702185 add procedure as child of para
|       711815 Tagging for subtler breaks or "pauses" within a chapter
|       742373 Splitting Segmented List
|       752632 Color control of CALS table element
|       798616 syntax="" or notation="" needed for code listings
|       828720 'spacing' attr. for 'variablelist'
|      The following RFEs are awaiting action items
|       413389 Enhance METHODNAME and VARNAME (Norm, generic linking)
|       431411 RFE 70: add generic linking capability (Norm)
|       522552 Add title attribute to <ulink> element (Mike, annotations)
|       541444 caption in mediaobjectco (Dick)
|       562343 <packagename> element (Norm)
|       565637 Associate non-inline image with link (Norm, generic linking)
|       574880 Add annotation element (Mike)
|       613293 Generalize programlisting (Steve)
|       623524 (Re)Consider "choicelist" markup (Mike)
|      The following RFEs are identified as V6.0 or later
|       531851 Remove inline person name elements
|       532088 Remove RevHistory from qandaentry
| - ---
| [1] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200310/msg00082.html
| [2] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200108/msg00067.html
| [3] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200108/msg00081.html
| [4] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200308/msg00037.html
| [5] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200309/msg00061.html

Bob Stayton
Sagehill Enterprises

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