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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Comments on New Charter


Sounds like your horse has stopped and is also
browsing on the grass along the fence and
accepting sugar lumps from passers-by too!

Horse racing is just not what is used to be ; -)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew MacKenzie" <mattm@adobe.com>
To: "'David RR Webber'" <david@drrw.info>; <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>;
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: [ebsoa] Comments on New Charter

> David,
> We discussed making this a subcommittee, and the consensus was that it was
> not a good fit.  The concept of ebSOA needs to extend from SOA-RM.  From
> point of view, future ebSOA work needs to be based off of SOA-RM.
> Re: horse race analogy -- our horse has no blinders on, and the result is
> that it keeps trying to socialize with the children at the fence.
> -matt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:20 AM
> To: ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org; peter@justbrown.net
> Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Comments on New Charter
> Peter,
> I believe it just depends on how many volunteers we have to do all the
> To create a new TC is a full months worth of effort for one person.,
> with
> all the daily interchanges to pull that together (the OASIS procedural
> are
> very deceptive of the actual level of effort needed).
> We should first consider forming a sub-committee with a specific charter
> go research the Ref Model topic and report back.  This is much much faster
> to orchestrate and do - (and there is plenty of precedent for that - eg
> TC,
> BCM TC, ebMS TC, etc, etc).
> This buys you a ton of time too - during which a new TC effort can be
> into place if hands are willing to man and run that.
> As for putting the ebSOA work on ice - I believe the opposite applies - we
> now have the BPSS V2 work completing and Registry V3 and the need is
> urgent to instruct people on how to take advantage of a complete context
> driven
> ebSOA system.   Sure there are interim questions - but nothing that is a
> complete show-stopper - that can be refined and improved later once a
> more Ref Model is available.
> The old adage of not changing horses in the middle of the race is key
> Thanks, DW
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <peter@justbrown.net>
> To: <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 5:57 AM
> Subject: [ebsoa] Comments on New Charter
> > I must give my formal apologies for absence from the confcall later
> and thus submit my meeting contribution in writing.
> >
> > Main observations:
> >
> > My vote would be for a completely new TC, and would thus associate my
> OASIS membership with the proposed charter as a sponsor.
> >
> > Equally, I would vote for putting current ebSOA TC on ice during the
> period of the new TCs mandate.
> >
> > It might be useful to establish liaisons at an early stage, both within
> OASIS and beyond (W3C, ISO, CEN, OMG?)
> >
> > I would keep the TC scope and mandate tight, and have only the Ref Model
> as a deliverable, but with an "open door" to spin off other work, *when*
> this is done.
> >
> > As I witnessed following some of the ISO Topic Maps Reference Model
> debates, the whole world of context-specific implementations and
> specializations becomes a whole lot easier once your reference model is in
> place, rather than trying to extract a ref model from already
> implementations and models.
> >
> > Once the reference model is completed - under a tight timeframe - my
> preference is for twelve months - then we can allow ourselves the luxury
> commission specialisations of the reference model
> >
> > I am particularly interested in the semantic and "data/information"
> aspects of the model.
> >
> > Good luck with the meeting.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter

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