Groups - Weekly ebBP Teleconference Call modified

[monica.martin@sun.com]

Weekly ebBP Teleconference Call has been modified by Monica Martin (monica.martin@sun.com).

Date:  Monday, 12 January 2004
Time:  12:00pm - 01:00pm Pacific Time

Event Description:
866 882 3998
International 865 525 0769
9081038

12 noon PST
1 p.m. MST
3 p.m. EST
8 p.m. BST
9 p.m. CET
4 a.m. Taipei, Perth Tuesday
5 a.m. Tokyo, Tuesday
7 a.m. Sydney, Tuesday

Agenda:
Agenda 12 Jan 2004
1. With quorum, approve minutes from meetings 15 Dec 2003 and 5 January 2004.
2. With quorum, conduct formal vote on name/nameID. [Moberg]
3. Continue discussion on possible options for Abrell Use Case - Work Item 55. [Abrell/Moberg] See email archive for this week. Original summary proposal is in the 5 Jan 2004 meeting minutes included herein.
4. Discuss Dick Brooks use case.
See: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-bp/200312/msg00090.html
5. Other new business: Potential to discuss Serm Kulvantunyou question on context specificity. Serm is to post to the list this week. :>)

Have a productive meeting and I will see you all 19 January.
Monica



Minutes:
ebBP TC Call 5 January 2004

Present:
Lars Abrell
Ed Dodds
Layna Fischer
Serm Kulvanuntunyou
Carl Mattocks
Dale Moberg
Sally St. Amand
Keith Swenson
Anders Tell
David Webber
Monica J. Martin

Note: We will have to vote again on the following motions from 5 January 2004 because
we were just short of quorum:
a. Meeting Minutes 15 December 2003
b. Resolution Work Item 41-Name and NameID

**Meeting Minutes 15 December 2003
We accepted minutes. It was determined after the meeting that we had not actually achieved quorum. Therefore, we must bring the formal acceptance of the minutes for 15 Dec 2003 up at the next meeting where quorum is achieved.

**F2F 4-6 February 2004
There was a tie vote on both Kavi ballots. Therefore, we decided to take a scientific approach and flip a coin to determine the F2F location. The choice was the Sun facilities at Santa Clara, CA.

**Issue 41 Name and NameID: Dale Moberg
Moberg: Presented a review of his publishes summary.
  See: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-bp/200401/msg00006.html
A definition is not provided for how to construct the GUID that is used - local
names, concatentated names, etc.  This could help simplify the specification. The name is good for reusability.  Need to have more specifics on the previous pre-1.1 release discussions on resuability to further discuss this.

There had been a question from Kenji Nagahashi regarding the GUID construction.
See: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-bp/200312/msg00010.html

Webber: Motion for acceptance of Moberg proposal with the caveat that further information may amend or augment Principle 2 and 3.

Kulvantunyou, Mattocks: Second

Martin: Approved without objection. Note, that quorum was not achieved so an additional vote is required at the next meeting where quorum is attained.

timeToPerform Use Case: Lars Abrell
[Late binding] See: 
Initial Martin: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-bp/200312/msg00017.html
Short proposal Abrell: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-bp/200312/msg00025.html
Abrell: There are TTP aspects at runtime and design time.  Investigating various options such as an element in Standard Business Document Header (SBDH) called ExpectedResponseDateTime that is correlation information in the Business Scope (related to the business document).
Need to establish service source of the value of the timeToPerform dynamically.
Moberg: Establish CPA context. Is this not timing related to the side of the document to be processed?
Abrell: No, the time of delivery is not related to the document size and processing.
Moberg: Could not this value be calculated? You could agree to the timeToPerform in the CPA.
Abrell: This may not be the right option.
Webber: From a business view, the context mechanism could show the variance.
Tell: A web service could be invoked to establish the value. However, the other party should be capable of accepting.  Parties must agree on this change in the timeToPerform.
Martin: Several mechanisms could be used to establish the value: web service, CAM, design time defined value, CPA agreement, use of SBDH element, etc. We may need to allow a choice for what mechanism is preferred.
Moberg: In such circumstances, we need to get agreement and coordination dynamically.
Martin: Does this lend itself to allow or disallow dynamism and impact to specific elements in the BPSS?
Webber: Is this out of scope of BPSS and more appropriate in CPPA? You can't change XML instance on the fly and point to a different URL for a CPA.  Use of CAM?
Martin: Put suggestions to the list.
See: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ebxml-bp/200401/msg00023.html
Some items may not be allowed to change at runtime.
Tell: The approach needed to be object-oriented. It must also handle protocol exceptions. Very few values should be changed in an ad hoc manner.  

Energy Use Case: Dick Brooks
Brooks was unavailable so this discussion was deferred.

New Business
Kulvantunyou: Is the BPSS instance context specific?
Moberg: Context-independent.
Kulvantunyou: But it is tied to business documents.
Martin: Is it the logical business document.
Webber: However, often the XML tag points to an XSD that implies a physical not a logical relationship.
Moberg: The CPA can handle the logical to physical encoding.
Kulvantunyou: I will put my questions to the list.

ACTIONS:
1. Martin, Dubray, Roberts: Need summary of any previous BPSS discussions on reusability.
Request sent with minutes 7 Jan 2004. IN WORK
2. Martin: Ask Nagahashi for a summary of his suggestions on GUID construction for principle 5 of the Work Item 41 tentative resolution. Request send 7 Jan 2004. IN WORK
3. Webber: Put context suggestion to the email list related to Work Item 55. Sent to list 5 Jan 2004. DONE
4. Kulvantunyou: Provide summary question to the list on context specificity and BPSS instance document. Request 7 Jan 2004 to Serm. IN WORK
This event is one in a list of recurring events.
Other event dates in this series:

Monday, 19 January 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 26 January 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 02 February 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 09 February 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 16 February 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 23 February 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 01 March 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 08 March 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 15 March 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 22 March 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 29 March 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 05 April 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 12 April 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 19 April 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 26 April 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 03 May 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 10 May 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 17 May 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 24 May 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 31 May 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 07 June 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 14 June 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 21 June 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 28 June 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 05 July 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 12 July 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 19 July 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 26 July 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 02 August 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 09 August 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 16 August 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 23 August 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 30 August 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 06 September 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 13 September 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 20 September 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 27 September 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 04 October 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 11 October 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 18 October 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 25 October 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 01 November 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 08 November 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time
Monday, 15 November 2004, 12:00pm to 01:00pm Pacific Time

View event details:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ebxml-bp/event.php?event_id=3537

PLEASE NOTE:  If the above link does not work for you, your email
application may be breaking the link into two pieces.  You may be able to
copy and paste the entire link address into the address field of your web
browser.