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Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] [TMG Vote] ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS Submission to TC154
Marty, I'd hardly be holding up US Corporate practice as a shining light to the world to follow these days!!! ; -) DW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Sachs" <msachs@cyclonecommerce.com> To: "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@adobe.com> Cc: <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] [TMG Vote] ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS Submission to TC154 > The business of counting non-votes as "yes" seems a bit odd but one would > have to check the UN/CEFACT charter to see if that procedure is > allowed. Bear in mind that in the US corporate annual-meeting world, > counting non-votes (that is, not returning the proxy ballot) as agreement > with management's position is standard practice. > > Regards, > Marty > > At 12:47 PM 3/24/2004, Duane Nickull wrote: > > How do members of this list feel about this? > > > >Duane > > > >-------- Original Message -------- > >Subject: Re: [TMG Vote] ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS Submission to TC154 > >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:17:48 +0100 > >From: "Anders W. Tell" <anderst@toolsmiths.se> > >Reply-To: UN/CEFACT Core Component WG <uncefact-tmg-ccwg@listman.disa.org> > >Organization: Financial Toolsmiths AB > >To: UN/CEFACT Core Component WG <uncefact-tmg-ccwg@listman.disa.org> > >CC: UN/CEFACT TMG Business Processes WG > ><uncefact-tmg-bpwg@listman.disa.org>, UN/CEFACT TMG BPSS Editing Team > ><uncefact-tmg-bpss@listman.disa.org>, UN/CEFACT TMG UBAC Project Team > ><uncefact-tmg-ubac@listman.disa.org>, uncefact-tmg-ccwg@listman.disa.org > >References: <F2B40416-7D24-11D8-AF3A-000A958E399E@attglobal.net> > > > > > > > >The unexpected creation of this voting list and once again a rush decision > >raise several questions about > >transparency and procedure. I have no time to delibrate on these issues > >right now so Ill get back later on. > > > >One part of the proposed voting procedure that must change is: > >"No response from any voting members will be interpreted as a "yes" vote. " > > > >No responce from a "not present members" must be counted as "not adding to > >the quorum" and not as Yes! > > > >There are serious issues regarding the BPSS that must be addressed re. the > >Secretariats view regarding ebXML. > >See > >thanks > >/anders > > > >Klaus-Dieter Naujok wrote: > > > >>All, > >> > >>I am not sure were to start, so let me do so by stating that I had > >>planned to follow up with this item right after my return home from Bonn, > >>unfortunately I went off-line last week due to a death in the family and > >>just now am getting back to work. > >> > >>In Bonn, the CCWG put before the TMG plenary the following resolution: > >> > >>"In order to have all specifications within the ebXML framework within > >>ISO, We resolve to submit the Core Components Technical Specification > >>Version 2.01 to ISO TC 154 for fast-tracking as a Draft Technical > >>Specification." > >> > >>This was approved by TMG and the request was passed on to the CSG and > >>UNECE secretariat to add it to the upcoming CEFACT plenary agenda so that > >>it can get final approval. > >> > >>In Bonn, the suggestion was made to also approve the ebXML BPSS V1.1 TS > >>for fast-tracking to TC154. Since the BPWG did not meet nor had a quorum, > >>I was asked to pose the question to the voting members electronically, > >>which I am doing now. > >> > >>In addition to TMG members raising the request, a number of CSG members, > >>as well as the UNECE secretariat asked the same question, should we not > >>submit our other ebXML TS to TC154? Argument being "that such action > >>clearly demonstrates that UN/CEFACT still supports ebXML, contrary to the > >>perceptions frequently spread by various parties and organizations". > >> > >>Normally, the process would be for the BPWG to agree to the resolution > >>first, and ones approved, the TMG voting members would be asked to > >>support this. HOWEVER, there is little time, the deadline for submitting > >>documents for "plenary approval" has long passed (before the Bonn > >>meeting), BUT because of the importance the CSG asked the secretariat to > >>make an exception to allow not only the CCTS to be added but also the > >>BPSS TS. The UNECE secretariat has agreed to the request - however we > >>must come to an agreement by this Friday to pass on to the secretariat > >>our approved request and the supporting document (BPSS V1.1). Since all > >>BPWG voting members are a subset of the TMG voting members, there should > >>not be problem doing this as a "single" vote. > >> > >>Therefore, using the text from the CCTS and modifying it for the BPSS, I > >>pose the request that the TMG approve the following resolution: > >> > >>"In order to have all specifications within the ebXML framework within > >>ISO, We resolve to submit the ebXML Business Process Schema Specification > >>Version 1.1 to ISO TC 154 for fast-tracking as a Draft Technical > >>Specification." > >> > >>The vote will close on Friday 26 March 2004 at 23:59 (any time zone). No > >>response from any voting members will be interpreted as a "yes" vote. > >> > >>The list is now open for any discussion on this item. > >> > >>Regards, > >> > >>Klaus > >> > >>-- > >>Klaus-Dieter Naujok UN/CEFACT/TMG Chair > >>Global e-Business Advisory Council Principal Advisor > >>Business: www.ge-bac.com Personal: www.klaus.naujok.name > >>TMG: www.untmg.org BCF: www.unbcf.org > >>Fingerprint: 78D6 FFD4 0A9B B7DE C738 6F04 3FA1 B366 F4B8 5064 > >> > > > > > >-- > >///////////////////////////////////// > >/ Business Collaboration Toolsmiths / > >/ website: / > >/ email: / > >/ phone: +46 8 562 262 30 / > >/ mobile: +46 70 546 66 03 / > >///////////////////////////////////// > > > > > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to the uncefact-tmg-ccwg listserve. > >To unsubscribe send an email to lyris@listman.disa.org with the > >following subject: Unsubscribe uncefact-tmg-ccwg If you do not receive > >confirmation of your unsubscribe request please notify postmaster@disa.org > >to report the problem. > > > > > >-- > >Senior Standards Strategist > >Adobe Systems, Inc. > >http://www.adobe.com > > > > ************************************* > Martin Sachs > standards architect > Cyclone Commerce > msachs@cyclonecommerce.com > > >
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