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Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] State Alignment and Web Services
There could be a time period between which the business document
gets handed over to the app layer and app layer processes it to
satisfy the business process state it is in.
There could be minimal processing performed during this time
to do some validation on the business document. This is before
the application hands over the document to some internal EAI like
system to perform the actual business operation.
If such validation and checks can be performed, ACCACK makes
sense as the whole internal processing does not have to be
involved before figuring out that there is something wrong
with the constituents or some external events may have caused
resulting in sending a negative acceptance ACK.
Then when the internal EAI system finishes the processing,
business level response will be sent.
Same goes for ReceiptAcknowledgment where the BSI has
the ability to send negative Receipt Acknowledgment if the
document is syntactically wrong and intelligible check is required.
This would also work for some external events resulting
in invalid state.
Some implementations give control to the app layer for taking
part in the signal processing.
-h
"Boonserm (Serm)
Kulvatunyou"
<serm@nist.gov> To
"ebXML BP"
16/06/2004 08:24 <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
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Please respond to Re: [ebxml-bp] State Alignment and
"Boonserm (Serm) Web Services
Kulvatunyou"
<serm@nist.gov>
Monica, IVI WSDL attached. I can't help you technically with the WSDL. I
hope David can.
I read your quote below and am still confused. First it says "signals when
message received for PROCESSING", then it says "business document has been
SUCCESSFULLY processed". In my mind, if the document has been successfully
processed the app should return business response like ConfirmBOD or AckPO
etc., because the signal cannot precisely indicate which line items are
successfully processed, for instance.
- serm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Monica J. Martin" <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>
To: "Boonserm (Serm) Kulvatunyou" <serm@nist.gov>
Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] State Alignment and Web Services
> Boonserm (Serm) Kulvatunyou wrote:
>
> > Kulvantyou: Did you try reviewing IVI WSDL to see if it will work with
> > BPSS at least with that limitation?
> >
> > Can you expand on "...with profiles that can be shared across a user
> > community" to why so?
> > - serm
>
> mm1: We've not had access to the IV&I WSDL Serm, but would be happy to
> review against the operation capability we approved on Monday. In
> addition, on your question about Receipt Acknowledgement, this is
> detailed in the previous ebXML BPSS version:
>
> <<<The Acceptance Acknowledgement business signal, if used, signals that
> the message received (Request or Response) has been accepted for
> business processing by the receiving application, or a receiving
> business application proxy......The state of each party is considered to
> be aligned when the receiving application (in general unknown to the
> other party) has signaled, via the BSI and an Acceptance
> Acknowledgement, that the business document has been successfully
> processed.>>>
>
> We should discuss further about the roles of the receiving application
> and the BSI (monitoring, state management, etc). You have raised
> multiple questions related to the validation, business rules, and
> responsibility. Perhaps you can provide greater detail or join us on
> Friday to discuss state alignment, web services, and obligation. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
----- Message from Chad Stone <czs@qad.com> on Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:02:19
-0700 -----
To: "Boonserm \(Serm\) Kulvatunyou" <serm@nist.gov>
Subject: Re: request for wsdl
(See attached file: wsdl2.zip)(See attached file: wsdl2untyped.zip)
Here you go.
There are 2 variants, each which yield compliant SOAP messages. We are
using the untyped at QAD.
Chad
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"Boonserm
\(Serm\) To: "Chad Stone"
<czs@qad.com>
Kulvatunyou" cc:
<serm@nist.gov> Subject: request for wsdl
04/09/2004 01:56
PM
Please respond to
"Boonserm
\(Serm\)
Kulvatunyou"
Hi Chad,
We have trouble tracking the latest WSDL. Could you forward the one you are
using right now.
Thank you,
Serm
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Boonserm (Serm) Kulvatunyou, Ph.D.
Guest Researcher
Manufacturing System Integration Division.
National Institute of Standards and Technology
On Assigment from Oak Ridge Associated Universities
100 Bureau Dr. MS 8260 Gaithersburg MD 20899-8260
phone: 301-975-6775, fax: 301-975-4482
mail: serm@nist.gov, http://serm.homeip.net:8080
(See attached file: wsdl2.zip)(See attached file: wsdl2untyped.zip)(See
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