Re: [ebxml-bp] State Alignment and Web Services

["David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>]

Serm,

You are correct in your analysis below.  The BPSS cannot guess
what you want done, eh?  ; -)

Therefore you have to setup a BTA - business transaction activity
where the interchange is spelled out.

If you look the the link I sent you to the JPG of the example model
you can see this clearly.

Then in the activity diagram - you reference those BTA definitions -
and that controls the state and related signals to transactions.

There's also a separate signals section in BPSS - and this is
where it gets interesting(!).   I'm still in the process of fully
exploring the capabilities here - but this would appear to have
potential for using transport level signals - and this would then
remove the need to use the confirmBOD as a "mother-of-all-signals"
as Ron has done for the IV&I scenarios...  Right now though there
is no apparent way of making associations to signals - but that may
be something we need to fix!?!   Certainly if you could link these
the WSDL or ebMS level responses this could be a cool way
of enabling this.  Then of course - in the acitvity diagram - you need
to be able to add guard conditions that link to those signals and
return succeed or failure accordingly....

Thanks, DW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Boonserm (Serm) Kulvatunyou" <serm@nist.gov>
To: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] State Alignment and Web Services


> Monica, IVI WSDL attached. I can't help you technically with the WSDL. I
> hope David can.
>
> I read your quote below and am still confused. First it says "signals when
> message received for PROCESSING", then it says "business document has been
> SUCCESSFULLY processed". In my mind, if the document has been successfully
> processed the app should return business response like ConfirmBOD or AckPO
> etc., because the signal cannot precisely indicate which line items are
> successfully processed, for instance.
>
> - serm
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Monica J. Martin" <Monica.Martin@Sun.COM>
> To: "Boonserm (Serm) Kulvatunyou" <serm@nist.gov>
> Cc: "ebXML BP" <ebxml-bp@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [ebxml-bp] State Alignment and Web Services
>
>
> > Boonserm (Serm) Kulvatunyou wrote:
> >
> > > Kulvantyou: Did you try reviewing IVI WSDL to see if it will work with
> > > BPSS at least with that limitation?
> > >
> > > Can you expand on "...with profiles that can be shared across a user
> > > community" to why so?
> > > - serm
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> > mm1: We've not had access to the IV&I WSDL Serm, but would be happy to
> > review against the operation capability we approved on Monday.  In
> > addition, on your question about Receipt Acknowledgement, this is
> > detailed in the previous ebXML BPSS version:
> >
> > <<<The Acceptance Acknowledgement business signal, if used, signals that
> > the message received (Request or Response) has been accepted for
> > business processing by the receiving application, or a receiving
> > business application proxy......The state of each party is considered to
> > be aligned when the receiving application (in general unknown to the
> > other party) has signaled, via the BSI and an Acceptance
> > Acknowledgement, that the business document has been successfully
> > processed.>>>
> >
> > We should discuss further about the roles of the receiving application
> > and the BSI (monitoring, state management, etc). You have raised
> > multiple questions related to the validation, business rules, and
> > responsibility.  Perhaps you can provide greater detail or join us on
> > Friday to discuss state alignment, web services, and obligation.
Thanks.
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