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Subject: Re: [ebxml-jc] discussion list, ebxml mktg - and WP outline
I'm not sure where this "forum" would fit in the OASIS Process. Our Process has definitions for Discussion Lists and Technical Committees, but nothing matching exactly what you're talking about here. Of course anyone is free to do whatever they want outside of OASIS, but for any effort to have the OASIS name on it it needs to follow our Process and other policies. -Karl Jacques Durand wrote: > Karl and all: > > Here is below a rewording of the invite based on Karl's remarks, and > also removing > "Marketing" but only from the formal name of the TC when it appears > (although that > concern may be premature at that point). > > To be clear, the call for participation is not just for participation > to the discussion list, but also to start - though informally - a group > that may already decide to produce some work (hence the suggestion that > some meetings will take place). > > So I guess the list moderator will have to make sure to keep the discussion > focused on the 2 objectives the list serves > > I believe though that a good way to figure whether the TC is viable and > how much > people can put in, is to get the group operate already on some concrete > action. > But that does not have to be visible on the list, though it might not > always be easy > to separate. I guess discussions on what action to take and how are OK > (charter exercise) > but operational emails (e.g. marketing material attached) are not. > Thoughts? > > Jacques > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A new forum is being formed to facilitate and promote the ebXML > (Electronic Business eXtensible Markup Language) specifications, and > their adoption and deployment. > In a first phase, a group mixing marketing, PR and technical expertise > would gather informally and > discuss possible actions. One objective is to determine if and when a > more formal team needs be created under OASIS in a second phase - a > Technical Committee for ebXML marketing, promotion and adoption - and if > yes, to make a proposal for it. > > An OASIS discussion mailing list will be created for this purpose. > > In parallel to this investigative phase, the group might already decide > to initiate > some concrete action or contribute ideas and material, with the > agreement and resources of member's company (e.g. gather marketing data, > contribute a white paper for example to be posted on ebxml.org Web > site). Early participation in this group does not require a long-term > committment, as it serves primarily an investigative purpose, although > in case some action is undertaken we expect the group to have conference > calls on a fairly regular basis, in addition to mailing list > discussions. The investigative phase is expected to last no more than 3 > months. > > The first step is to sign-up to the OASIS discussion list, so please let > us know if you or someone else in your company is willing to participate > to this forum, at least for the investigation phase. > > If the creation of a new "ebXML adoption" TC is recommended, this TC is > expected to work with ebXML Joint Committee (JC), OASIS communications, > current and future OASIS ebXML TCs and other organizations supporting or > deploying ebXML specifications. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:59 AM > To: Jacques Durand > Cc: 'Matthew MacKenzie'; 'James Bryce Clark'; > ebxml-jc@lists.oasis-open.org; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [ebxml-jc] discussion list, ebxml mktg - and WP outline > > > Jacques: > > In regards to your invitation text, I should remind you that a > discussion list is for the purpose of 1) seeing if there's enough > interest in forming a TC, and 2) defining the charter for the TC. The > deliverable of the discussion list is a proposal for a new TC; the list > is not allowed to produce any work products. > > The duties of the discussion leader are pretty much just making sure > that the discussion is moving in the direction of accomplishing the > above goals. > > The maximum time allowed for the discussion is 90 days, but it doesn't > need to go that long. I can start a discussion list once I have a > proposal from three or more eligible people. Please see the normative > process at http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#discussionlists > > > Participation in this group only requires a short-term committment of > > 3 months, and at a minimum, reasonable attendance to a weekly meeting > > of 1h, .... > > I'm not sure what is meant by this. A discussion list is an email list, > and there is no requirement for meetings to be held. I suppose that > there's no reason that meetings couldn't be held on an informal basis -- > but attendance couldn't be required. > > -Karl > > > > Jacques Durand wrote: > > Matt: > > Great, we have a list of potential participants (see below) > > and here is a little blurb below that we could send to them to invite > > them to this list. > > > > As JC chair I am willing to send them this invite . Please everyone > > review the text below. > > Note that the invitation requires only a short term committment, > > matching the duration of the discussion list (90 days) > > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > A new forum is being formed to facilitate and promote the ebXML > > (Electronic Business eXtensible Markup Language) specifications, and > > their adoption and deployment. In a first phase, a group mixing > > marketing, PR and technical expertise would gather informally and > > discuss possible actions. The group might also decide to initiate some > > concrete action or contribute ideas and material, depending on agreement > > and resources of each member's company. > > > > Participation in this group only requires a short-term committment of 3 > > months, and at a minimum, reasonable attendance to a weekly meeting of > > 1h, plus email discussion and occasional marketing action items > > depending on everyone availability. The first step is to sign-up to a > > discussion list hosted by OASIS, so please let us know if you or someone > > else in your company is willing to participate to this forum, at least > > to initial discussions. > > > > In a second phase, if a sufficient number of participants recommend to > > pursue further, depending on availability, resource, etc., there would > > be proposal to create an ebXML Marketing and Adoption (M&A) Technical > > Committee (TC) under OASIS. This TC will work with ebXML Joint Committee > > (JC), OASIS communications, current and future OASIS ebXML TCs and other > > organizations supporting or deploying ebXML specifications. A draft > > charter has already been written, but would certainly require review and > > updates by the TC sponsors. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Can everyone tell me if there are other persons besides the @ below, we > > should send this to: > > > > (I assume several of us in JC may want to be on that list too) > > > > -------------- list of potential marketing helpers > > > > Cyclone: > > Joe Speed ( jspeed@cyclonecommerce.com) > > > > Fujitsu: > > Lisa Schiltz (LisaS@us.fujitsu.com) > > > > Iopsis: > > Rajesh Pradhan, founder, Rajesh Pradhan > > <rajesh@iopsis.com> > > > > Infravio: > > Ted Sanford, <tsanford@infravio.com> > > > > Smart Draw: > > David Webber, <david@drrw.info> > > > > Oxlo Systems: > > Dan Seats, <dan.seats@oxlo.com> > > > > ebXML Asia: > > Yukinori Saito, yukinori Saito <y-saito@ecom.jp> > > > > Indirect contacts: > > Farrukh.Najmi@sun.com (Farrukh Najmi, Sun) > > > > dnickull@adobe.com (Duane Nickull, Adobe) > > > > dick@tech-comm.com (Dick Brooks, independent, with lots of contacts in > > ebXML-using companies) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matthew MacKenzie [mailto:mattm@adobe.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:02 PM > > To: Jacques Durand > > Cc: 'James Bryce Clark'; ebxml-jc@lists.oasis-open.org; > > carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; karl.best@oasis-open.org > > Subject: Re: [ebxml-jc] discussion list, ebxml mktg - and WP outline > > > > I could run with the discussion list, although it doesn't seem to be > > a huge amount of work... > > > > > > -matt > > > > On 8-Sep-04, at 8:40 PM, Jacques Durand wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Jamie, > > > > > > Anyone willing to be the JC contact point for this discussion list? > > > > > > Here is also attached a white paper outline. If there is enough > > agreement (73% or more) > > > > on its structure, we could start assigning parts. The key point is > > to gain a minimum > > > > of momentum, nourished by the warm feeling that this work is not > > vain and that the end of > > > > it is [already] in sight...:-) > > > > So I propose that at each JC meeting we go through the progress on > > this paper. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Jacques > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: James Bryce Clark [mailto:jamie.clark@oasis-open.org] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:27 AM > > > > To: ebxml-jc@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > Cc: carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; karl.best@oasis-open.org > > > > Subject: [ebxml-jc] discussion list, ebxml mktg > > > > > > > > > > Confirming our conversation at today's meeting, a proposal to > > create a > > > > new TC (e.g. ebxml marketing) likely would qualify for an OASIS > > discussion > > > > list, to discuss and gauge interest in the potential project. The > > > > requirements, which are fairly light, can be found at > > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#discussionlists. I > > > > suggest that the JC identify a member to run with this, and that > this > > > > person check in with my colleagues Karl Best (who is the creator of > > those > > > > lists) and Carol Geyer (who might have some very helpful > suggestions on > > > > what to include in the brief official list description). > Regards JBC > > > > > > ~ James Bryce Clark > > > > ~ Manager, Technical Standards Development, OASIS > > > > ~ http://www.oasis-open.org/who/staff.shtml > > > > ~ +1 978 667 5115 x 203 main office (messages) > > > > ~ +1 310 293 6739 direct (usually US Pacific time) > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the > > roster of the OASIS TC), go to > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ebxml-jc/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > > > > > > > > <ebXMLWhitePaper-outline.txt>To unsubscribe from this mailing list > > (and be removed from the roster of the OASIS TC), go to > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ebxml-jc/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > > > > >
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